Subject: KABU RESEARCHER
From: DOG FACE
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Date Posted: 12:01:08 10/21/06 ()
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http://nia.ecsu.edu/onr/04-05/050221rsrch_wk/three.html

THE A#% HOEL CALLING HIMSELF SENGBE KOUNAWAH IS NONE OTHER THAN ELIZABETH STATE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR EDMUND KOKER A KAYBASS LOOKING DOG FACED LOOKING WITH A MISPLACED TIE SONOFABITCH WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHO HIS FATHER WAS. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT HIS REAL FATHER WAS THE TOWNS NIGHT SOIL MAN. SO IN FACT NAR KAKA BALER PEKIN

Subject: HOW TO END SIERRA LEONE'S ECONOMIC SLIDE
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
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Date Posted: 11:05:10 10/21/06 ()
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[The following tripartite exchange on devaluation, especially how reversing its pervasive adverse impact on SL's economy could lift millions of our fellow S/Leoneans out of poverty, is presented here, courtesy of SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, in a continuing effort to empower fellow S/Leoneans by sharing ideas that could reverse the needless longstanding poverty in our country -- if implemented by the SL government].

--- In SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, MohmJ@...> wrote on Oct 21, 2006:
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>[Name Redacted]:

In accordance with my promise here last month, please find hereunder part three of our contribution towards the assemblage of ideas that would form part of the raw material for the maiden publication of our proposed think tank. In this installment, representing our November 11, 2005, discussion of devaluation and how reversing its pervasive adverse impact on SL's economy could lift millions of our fellow S/Leoneans out of poverty, the discussants were [Names Redacted], and myself. Kindly let us know how your compilation of the other material, including the proceedings at the SL Network seminar held in November last year at Howard University here in Washington, D.C., is progressing.

Best regards,

Moh'm

[START EXCERPT]

In a message dated 11/11/2005 5:24:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, {Name Redacted@... writes:

Moh'm:

> If I may add to, or slightly modify your comments on devaluation in Germany through and between the wars...(I am at the office, and I do not have all of my references handy, so please pardon the abbreviated scholarship of the response)...
>
> You said:
> "Indeed, restoring strength to a country's currency goes a long way towards restoring it to economic health. This was graphically illustrated in post-Nazi Germany's experience. That country had been saddled by a worthless currency even before the demise of its self-deluded Chancellor, Adolf Hitler. However, as a result of the unprecedented infusion of foreign currency under the U.S. Marshall Plan, the strength of the German currency was restored sufficiently to permit the growth of normal economic activity that had been severely distorted by the "devalued" Nazi currency (Germany's worthless currency was actually the result of market forces more than a government announced devaluation)."
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> A historical review of Germany between the wars shows a remarkable similarity to the current conditions in SL, including the rise of unlikely figures such as Hitler and Foday Sankoh.

The German currency was indeed severely devalued before Hitler's rise. The Versailles Treaty had a direct impact upon the economy and currency of Germany. Noted economist J. M. Keynes, who lived through the period, writes in his "Essays in Persuasion" that, in addition to the 4-year starvation of the German people during the war, and the unreasonable debt burden imposed upon the Germans, the Treaty and related actions induced a currency depreciation to less than one-seventh of value. By 1923, the currency was at much less than one-thousandth of its pre-treaty value. Keynes also said that under the Treaty, the Germans were expected to be paying the debts under the same ruinous conditions until at least 1984.

> Economists warned of revanchist reactions and dire consequences for Germany and for Europe as a result of the unreasonable burden.
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> Closer to our time, we saw the Secession of East Timor as a direct result of contagion from the Thai-induced Asian currency crisis of 1997. In East Timor, forty years of resentment quickly escalated into full rebellion and ultimate secession after devaluation on the order of a mere one-half or less. (We would do well to remind ourselves that the conversion rate in SL is now about Le3,300.00 to US$1.0). As a result of over thirty five percent devaluation within the last 12 months, prices of commodities such as rice and gasoline have risen at rates higher than 35% within one year , even after accounting for higher crude oil prices on the world market).
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> There have been numerous references to our wealth in diamonds and other natural resources; and indeed, these are not trivial assets. Nevertheless, I will take issue with scholars such as Karamoh who aver that better management of these resources will be sufficiently beneficial. Such steps will induce some value, but they will be as beneficial to us as would a penny to a man needing a dollar. Diamond revenue is measured in the tens of millions; the needs of the country are estimated in hundreds of billions.
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> One more point of note, and again I apologize for the lack of a citation... The initial rehabilitation of the German currency was executed by sovereign fiat, through a declaration by Hitler that restored much of the purchasing power of the currency. This was executed well before WW II began, and certainly well before the Marshall Plan, which was a tacit admission of the failures of Versailles. The Marshall Plan also represented the determination by the Allies not to repeat the same economic mistakes and risk another and even more brutal worldwide conflict. Additionally, in recognition of the inimical relationship of debt to development, debt issues for the Europeans, of much lesser gravity than the debt burdens now laid upon African countries, were addressed for the mutual social and economic benefit of debtors and lenders.
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> Using similar reasoning, we can expect that, unless fundamental changes are made to the currency to enable real growth and effective planning, we may see the conflicts of the recent past re-enacted.
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> Best Regards,
> [Name Redacted] ========================================================================\
> =====================
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> In a message dated 11/11/2005 09:59:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, MohmJ@... >
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> Hi Karamoh:
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> Please accept my congratulations on your well-reasoned article in the same Awareness Times edition of today that carries my article.
> http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_2005879.shtml

> Your essay is a testament to the truism that S/Leoneans, in particular, and Africans,in general, eminently possess the ability to diagnose and resolve our continent's very many ills -- most of which were imposed externally, with unpatriotic collaboration from the like-minded home-grown enemies of our countries' welfare who masquerade as our political leaders.
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> While I agree with your implied argument that the task facing us as we attempt to dig SL out of the morass created by 35 years of IMF and World Bank greed aided by our local politicians' unquenchable greed, I> respectfully disagree with your characterization of my proposed solution -- restoring the value of our currency -- as being merely "sensational." On the contrary, it is a proven path to economic recovery from the worst of bad economic straits.
>
> Indeed, restoring strength to a country's currency goes a long way towards restoring it to economic health. This was graphically illustrated in post-Nazi Germany's experience. That country had been saddled by a worthless currency even before the demise of its self-deluded Chancellor, Adolf Hitler. However, as a result of the nprecedented infusion of foreign currency under the U.S. Marshall Plan, the strength of the German currency was restored sufficiently to permit the growth of normal economic activity that had been severely distorted by the "devalued" Nazi currency (Germany's worthless currency was actually the result of market forces more than a government announced devaluation).
>
> As you accurately noted,the magnitude of the financial intervention required in SL would be great. However, it does not have to come in the form of an oil boom or even better management of our natural resources -- granted that those would be solutions that would restore our national dignity. Nor does it have to come from the World Bank or the IMF -- even though a case can be made, as I alluded in my article, that such money should be demanded from those two institutions in disgorgement of the massive abnormal profits they contrived for themselves and every other> foreign entity that transacted with SL, when they engineered the needless and catastrophic devaluation of our currency, with the unpatriotic acquiescence of our clueless leaders.
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> In my humble opinion, the easiest and most dignified way to generate the needed foreign exchange to stabilize our restored Leone is to obtain it from each and every S/Leonean -- at the eminently affordable rate of only $5 a day, as I detailed in my presentation at the SL Network seminar last Saturday. And that, Karamoh, would be no more an exercise in charity than it would be in sensationalism!
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> Best regards,
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> Moh'm
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> In a message dated 11/11/2005 9:39:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Karamohslylhorg@aol.com,writes:

> Great job Moh'm! You addressed the origin of the problem with keen eyes of an economist. However, the proposed resolve is a bit farfetched with more of a sensational effect than a solution. Otherwise, something with a remarkable effect on the economy has to happen such as a oil boom or a great management of our natural resources backed by a strong manufacturing and service industry.
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> See latest article below good fellows:
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>http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_2005878.shtml
>
Karamoh Kabba

> ************************************************
> With our hurricane lamps, who says we cannot light asphalt jungles despite the high winds? "Then right opinion is nothing inferior to knowledge."
> (Socrates)
>
> [END EXCERPT]

Subject: WHERE IS STJ, THE COWBOY AMBASSADOR ?
From: Veteran
To: All
Date Posted: 08:39:00 10/21/06 ()
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I thought they said he was coming to be our ambassador in the U.S ? Kabbah nah man.

Subject: Re: WHERE IS STJ, THE COWBOY AMBASSADOR ?
From: STJ
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Date Posted: 11:21:54 10/21/06 ()
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HIGH COMMISSIONER LEAVES FOR NEW POST

At a short but very impressive farewell ceremony held in honour of the outgoing High Commissioner, the Deputy High Commissioner, Mr. James B. Allie described His Excellency Sulaiman Tejan-Jalloh as a very savvy diplomat.

According to Mr. Allie, the outgoing High Commissioner would always be remembered for fighting very hard to move the entire chancery of the Sierra Leone High Commission from Oxford Circus to the new premises at Holborn, in Central London.

Mr. Allie described the departing High Commissioner’s tenure as a successful tour of duty.

Responding, High Commissioner Tejan-Jalloh lauded the efforts of staff of the High Commission for the support and encouragement he got from them during his tenure of office which lasted exactly seven years since he was first posted to the UK in 2000.

He described as one of his outstanding achievements, the new High Commission building. High Commissioner Tejan-Jalloh who has already left for his new posting as Ambassador to Washington said he enjoyed every bit of his stay in London.

He called on the entire staff (both diplomatic and local) to cooperate with the new High Commissioner, His Excellency Melvin Chalobah who is expected in his new post on Wednesday 20th October, 2006.

For her part, the Head of Chancery, Mrs. Hawa J. Sumner said she enjoyed working with the departing High Commissioner and wished him every success in his new assignment.

The Information Attaché, Mr. Sorie Fofana described the High Commissioner as a very shrewd diplomat whose achievements are there for all to see. He also wished him well in his new posting

Subject: Re: WHERE IS STJ, THE COWBOY AMBASSADOR ?
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 09:49:46 10/21/06 ()
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If STJ is posted to the USA, you must count yourselves lucky.
This guy has been the most successful High commissioner that has ever graced the Court of St James on behalf of Sa Lone in London.

When he arrived in London,the Sierra leone High commission did not even have a building to call our own. The long leased building at 33 Portland place had been Sold by the NPRC.

By the time he left we have here today in London our own state of the art three storey building.More important, it is FREEHOLD, I hope you know what that means. Further, he managed to raise the status of Sierra Leone to such a level that the country is today respected at the highest level of the British Government and the international community in Europe.

So if na belefull de pa you,go try you congosaa somewhere else.

There is no need for you to be so censorious of a man with such achievement under his belt who could possibly be the next Foreign Minister.you can say he is one of Kabbah's success stories.

Do you actually know him or are you simply doing what useless Sierra leoneans do best, attack people they have never even met.

Subject: Re: WHERE IS STJ, THE COWBOY AMBASSADOR ?
From: cornelius
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Date Posted: 10:59:05 10/21/06 ()
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I think that Senor Sengbe would make agood ambassador ( without his guitar) and before the Noble Prize in Science

Subject: SECURITY STABILITY AND PEACE THAT IS SA LONE TODAY
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 07:29:48 10/21/06 ()
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Yesterday, I wrote on this forum that the British High Commissioner in Sierra Leone has expressed confidence in our Country,and has confirmed that the Country is Secure,Stable and Peaceful.Further on from that, she said the country has had a 67%rise in economic growth.

I challanged all papriotic Sierra Leoneans to comment.There was not a single taker apart from Sengbe and Albert Moinina.

It is anxiomatic, that so called true Sierra Leoneans only want to hear the worse about their Country.They are not able to rejoice in even the slightest of Good news.

The APC lot on this forum seem hellbent only in insulting people,I have never heard any on them ever making a sensible suggestions about what they will do to or for Sierra leone in the unfortunate circumstances that desaster befalls Sa Lone and their Party is elected.

PMDC is better, at least on this forum, thanks to Albert Moinina, they have tried to articulate some sort of policy statement and have have always been ready to conduct sensible debate without mamie cuss.
It is for that same reason that I have said the PMDC would make a good oposition party if only to facilitate a good debate in Parliament and hold us to account come next year, instead of walking out like spoit children..exertly what the APC does when they don't get their way.

Sierra Leone is better under the SLPP.
Sierra Leone will get even better under BEREWA
BEREWA will continue the good work and the next five years will see Sa Lone Up where we belong.

I am Sierra leonean first and Last and I am SLPP second and Last.

Subject: Re: SECURITY STABILITY AND PEACE THAT IS SA LONE TOD
From: news
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Date Posted: 08:10:34 10/21/06 ()
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Security in Sierra leone is being maintained by the dilligence of all Sierra Leoneans. After a decade of raw violence and incalculable amount of destruction who will want to inflame another instability in Sierra Leone?
The British High Commisioner does not in anyway ascribed that alll is well for the poor masses.
The notionthat the SLPPP government is responsible for the peace that in Sierra Leone is spurious and it is hatched by the mainstream media.
The Blair government in which the High Commision is part of, wants to depict Sierra Leone as a success story.
The economic life of our people is miserable and as I am writing, the people have endured weeks without seeing light.
Cadmus, we all have different political views, butlet face it; the SLPP governmnet has not done anything to alleviate the sufferings of our people.
Tony Blair came into Kabbah's side to maintain democracy and good governance. Quite recently, the UN secretary General came out with a damning report, that indicted the government for not doing enough to ward off the same reasons taht led to the civil war.
Neutral observers will point to a different picture from what you are gladly embracing. Did you read the MSF's report which came out few days ago?
The only hope our Country have is to elect a formidable team in 2007, that have no room for any old and corrupt officials.

Subject: Re: SECURITY STABILITY AND PEACE THAT IS SA LONE TOD
From: Truth
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Date Posted: 10:28:29 10/21/06 ()
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"The only hope our Country have is to elect a formidable team in 2007, that have no room for any old and corrupt officials."

And that's the absolute truth! That means, obviously, that neither VP Solo Berewa nor the SLPP represent hope for SL's bright future.

Subject: THE TWO GIANTS!
From: Paul Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 02:40:59 10/21/06 ()
Email Address: paul.bangs2020@yahoo.com
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VP OUTLINES THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS! YOU KOLLAY?
ARE BET NOR TRY WE.
SLPP

1. SLPP restored the authority of the state nationwide.
2. SLPP reestablished public and social institutions.

3. SLPP rebuilt the infrastructure that was damaged by the war.
4. SLPP disarmed former combatants and resettled over a million displaced Sierra Leoneans.
5. SLPP has brought so many Cuban Doctors to Sierra Leone, and will bring many more.

APC
1. "Squandered everything-machines, electricity, railway, and all descended to dust." Those were his exact words in that hall in Maryland. Those words went unchallenged, because they were true.
I took pity on the APC, because they didn't do it alone. The country was one party and we were all "thieves" and some of them who cry APC down today were in positions of trust but left things to go the way they went. Then the only anti-APC were the students. They left all the talking about the APC misrule to the defenseless students, who became guests to Pademba Road Big Yard, BIG TIME!

Result: SLPP: 5, APC: 0

According to the VP, APC was responsible for hatching corruption and suppressing excellence. In his words, he said," Coruption was given birth to, and excellence disappeared, government was no longer people centered. The judiciary was affected too during the APC rule."

"The pot calling kettle black." There was corruption during the APC and there is corruption now. So What?

Another thing to look at. The VP said in Maryland that SLPP is not responsible for the non-provision of light in Freetown. If the SLPP is not responsible, who is? But he didn't want to dwell on the past, he said. These are the basic needs of the people, I guess. God bless Lybia for the Buses, otherwise he would have said the government is not responsible for providing transportation for the people.

OPINION
From what I got from his Maryland talks, it was just another trip to mellow so that friends can see him, exchange ideas as to how some of us who have been here for so long can go back to "push Sierra Leone forward." Den just mek ar laugh.

PROMISE!
The VP said that the country is going through problems that were self-designed. According to him, we have become an object of ridicule and outsiders refer to us as those who cannot manage themselves. I agreed with him 100 percent. But the VP says he will help Sierra Leone to get out of the problems it is going through if he is elected president. "Very true!" When he becomes Preso, all his bodies would hold diplomatic Passports and will be in his oversees trips. No Jealousy!

Subject: WHO IS WRONG? I DON'T KNOW
From: Paul Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 01:31:03 10/21/06 ()
Email Address: paul.bangs2020@yahoo.com
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I baffles me, my bother I say, it baffles me. Wherever he goes, the VP tells his listeners that the elections in 2007 in Sierra Leone would be the second democratically recognized election. I don't know who is wrong. But if my memory serves me right, I think there was an election in 1996, that saw the Vice President as an Attorney General and Minister of Justice. Then there the coUntry had another in 2002, the results of which saw him as Vice President. If the one in 2007 should be the second democratically recognized elaction, which of these ones was not democratically recognized? Was it the Jonah arranged one in 1996? But since the VP is a man who respects democracy, why did he accept appointment out of an undemocratic election?

I don't really understand, and it saddens my heart each time I hear him talk about the 2007 election being the second demcratically recognized election. Recognized by who? If he cannot tell us, then I wonder what kind of leader he wants to be; one who misses his facts? I am greatly disturbed.

The VP cannot continue to be distorting records because he wants power. As far as he is concerned, it is that election that saw him as VP and the one in 2007 he considers as democratically recognized. Or rather, he is reducing SLPP's rule by one term. What a Man! His interest. He has seen the honey in the Presidency from the office of the VP, so he can twist facts in his favor to get to that office. The VP needs to be grateful to the election calculation of Dr. Jonah. It was democratically recognized. Wasn't it? It was simple:

TAKE SOME VOTES FROM KABBAH'S TOTAL VOTES, ADD TO KAREFAH'S VOTES= KABBAH WINS! Was that not democratically recognized? You know what, he bothers me a great deal.

Subject: Re: WHO IS WRONG? I DON'T KNOW
From: Albert Moinina
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Date Posted: 04:37:16 10/21/06 ()
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Mr. Bangura,

Thanks for your good keeping of records. Berewa should be given more chance to speak his mind or more opportunities to attend international forums. The true man will be revealed. When I read some of his statements, it appears to sound very much like Bandale. Unfortunately, most of our people are either illiterate or support parties through sentiments. We have a lot of work to do in educating our folks about these politicians. By God's grace, the last two weeks of December, I will spend telling some of my relatives the HARD TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH. I really look forward towards the day I will land at Lungi Airport. We have a difficult job to do, but one that MUST BE DONE. Don't give up, we are all in the same boat except Berewa and his supporters who are in a sinking boat.

Subject: NAR WAN DAY YAH!
From: Paul Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 00:50:57 10/21/06 ()
Email Address: paul.bangs2020@yahoo.com
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Message:
I am posting this particular piece for personal assessments and contributions. I will not entertain unwarranted languages. This is simple. Please no insults; be academic; let's educate our readers.

Nar wan day yah, the Vice President and SLPP flag bearer was in Maryland, he had these words of wisdom to share with his hosts in the hall.

1. "Success is a virtue. All like success and can get to it by hardwork, dedication, and staying focused."

2. "With politicians, we develop ideas. Politicians who do not think cannot lead. He must have ideas; change for the better anything he touches. A politician in office who makes no change is unfit. He should not be content with survival in office. Should be determined to make good change, leaving behind an impact for those he governs."

3. "Successful politicians make their own luck. They don't survive by chance; should have no consideration for the people."

Those were the words of wisdom by the VP when he came to Maryland. If you have any comments, please post them, and I will get to you later.
God bless you. No insults; I want us to take some critical looks at these "wise" sayings.

Subject: Re: NAR WAN DAY YAH!
From: Yaya Fanusie
To: All
Date Posted: 01:36:09 10/21/06 ()
Email Address: saigobe@lanset.com
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Message:
I would like to comment on "wise saying" #2
Berewa appears to confuse the role of Politician from that of Political leader. He should be talking about leadership not politicians. It's my view that this fellow is suffering from Role Ambiguity and therefore he would be a disaster for Sierra Leone.
Yaya Fanusie

Subject: Re: NAR WAN DAY YAH!
From: Albert Moinina
To: All
Date Posted: 01:21:10 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
"Successful politicians make their own luck. They don't survive by chance; should have no consideration for the people."

Did the VP really say these words? Sierra Leoneans beware of the person you vote in the coming election. We are all responsible for whomsoever we support. This is a responsibility that cannot be taken lightly.

Subject: I AM STILL UNABLE TO UPDATE COCORIOKO
From: KABS KANU
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Date Posted: 19:43:00 10/20/06 ()
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TO ALL OUR READERS

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Subject: Re: I AM STILL UNABLE TO UPDATE COCORIOKO
From: Eddie
To: All
Date Posted: 09:08:11 10/21/06 ()
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Message:
Bra Kabs, please don't worry yourself. you have already done so much for us by providing this form. I find the forum so intersting that i sometimes forget to read your news update. All i ask is that just concentrate your effort in securing the forum for us from the 'Terrorist'. Once more, thank you very much for your effort.

Subject: One of the reasons why education & d educated are respected
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 18:31:11 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: bambaylk@yahoo.com
Entered From: n69102.lib.ucdavis.edu at 169.237.76.113

Message:
This is why all educated and informed people are respected and why much is expected of them. If one or the government spends time on somebody to enable them gain their education, they, the parents or govrnment, would like to see that one learns and uses that education to benefit themselves, their communities and people around the world. Would they then reduce themselves to pettiness because one uses such education? Think!
After spending all that on education, they do not expect less and would not stand for anyone who tries to blockade the way; at least that is what is expected in any civilized country and or setting.
Think! Think! Use your brain. It takes more that one reasoning to come to a conclusion.
Think!

Subject: Re: One of the reasons why education & d educated are respected
From: sensitive
To: All
Date Posted: 18:57:00 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
How much u r making....I dont have a degree and did not finish high school but i makes 100K

Subject: Re: One of the reasons why education & d educated are respected
From: Sylvester Johnny
To: All
Date Posted: 23:23:10 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
Mr. Sensitive,
There is more to education than what money can buy for you. The satisfaction of being counted among the educated and knowledgeable makes a big difference. Please note that you actually do not need to have a Phd to be considered educated.Making 100K is actually a piece of cake for professionals. Education opens a lot of doors that would otherwise remain close. This is more true for us who are not even "niggers"

Subject: Re: One of the reasons why education & d educated are respected
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 10:11:04 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Sylvester Johnny says....'This is more true for us who are not even "Niggers"..'

I am confused! Mr Johnny,what do you mean by NIGGER in this sense? Please help me,does that have a different meaning to it in America than it does in London? or are you simply displaying ignorance and insolence.

Sorry but I m only trying to convience my 12 year old that Sierra Leoneans in the states do not use words like that.

Unless, ofcourse,if I am wrong,Then I stand corrected.

Subject: vote for Sierra Leone's Refugee all Stars
From: M. Alieu Iscandari Esq
To: All
Date Posted: 14:44:28 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Hi Friends -

Great news, "Sierra Leone's Refugee All Stars" are confirmed to be one of the
candidates for an Assignment America piece TONIGHT, October 20th on CBS Evening
News. BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP! The preview segment which asks viewers to vote for
their favorite story will be very brief - each segment gets about 10 seconds and
whichever story voters choose will get their own full "Assignment America" segment
the following week!

HERE'S HOW IT WORKS: The voting will begin at 7pm EST sharp on Oct 20 and end
at midnight EST on Oct 21. Viewers will be directed to vote at http://www.cbsnews.com.
An "Assignment America" icon will appear on the home page during the voting period
and from there you will find a link for "Sierra Leone's Refugee All Stars."

It's easy to do and would be an ENORMOUS boost for the band and the film. It's also
another step towards spreading positive awareness of refugee issues and the beautiful
country of Sierra Leone. So please tell your friends and co-workers and help us to
GET OUT THE VOTE for "Sierra Leone's Refugee All Stars!"

Thank you, as always, for your support,

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Subject: GUINEA: Road to ruin
From: HISTORIAN
To: All
Date Posted: 14:14:18 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ac202-054.resnet.stonybrook.edu at 130.245.202.54

Message:
GUINEA: Road to ruin

CONAKRY, 20 October (IRIN) - The collapse of a bridge that provides the only link between a remote Guinean border town and the capital, Conakry, has triggered higher prices for basic foods and transportation, further complicating the lives of impoverished Guineans.

The bridge, which collapsed in late August, was an essential crossing point on the only paved road linking Conakry on Guinea's western coast with Nzerekore, a major trading town 1,000 km southeast at the heart of the country's fertile Forest Region on the border with Liberia and Sierra Leone.

The situation further complicates life in Guinea, where more than half of the population scrapes by on less than $1 a day, according to the United Nations. In addition, there is no guarantee of stability. Ailing President Lansana Conte has no known succession plan, leading many analysts to warn of the potential for a military coup and chaos after his death.

The cutting of the road to Nzerekore is symbolic of Guinea's economic isolation and general deterioration, according to Nicola Prins in the Africa department of the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) in London

"Their position is not very good. The economy is clearly deteriorating, economic policy has gone off track, and it has been that way for a long time," she said. "The state of the infrastructure reflects their inability to get more funds to either improve or upgrade what they have. It's a rather bleak picture."

Life getting harder

Aid agencies and NGOs working in Guinea have already set up their own private charter flights to get around the country, rather than risk the crumbling roads, which outside Conakry are frequently blocked. Earlier this month, UNHCR started scaling down its operations for Liberian refugees in Guinea, for reasons not related to the collapsed bridge.

Rampant inflation has already pushed the prices of most imported products on markets in Conakry out of reach for many people during the last year. The cost of a bag of rice rose to roughly $33 - equivalent to a civil servant's monthly salary.

Now prices for bananas and palm oil from the Forest Region are rocketing as the products become scarce, impacting on traders and families who rely on the cheaper, domestically produced food.

"When I see these prices going up and up, I ask myself how will I keep providing for my family," said Moussa Kante, 42, the head of a family of seven in Conakry.

Since the collapse of the bridge, the cost of a ticket on one of the dilapidated yellow minibuses that plies the route between Conakry and Nzerekore has jumped from US $27 to US $36, while the journey time has quadrupled from 24 hours to four days.

"All the routes through the forest region have become difficult for us now because of the degradation," said Abdoulaye Dioubate, a bus driver on the Conakry-Nzerekore route.

The rise in transport costs has had a knock-on impact on the getting kids into schools. The cost of school desks which are made near Nzerekore and distributed throughout Guinea has more than doubled since the bridge collapse from US $12.50 to $27, a roughly equivalent to the monthly salary of a school headmaster in Guinea.

State of deterioration

Ibrahima Kalil Kourouma, the government minister in charge of investment in roads, told IRIN that the government is US $50,000 short of the US $200,000 it estimates is needed to rebuild Conakry-Nzerekory road, and appealed to the European Union to dip into its development fund to help out.

But as Kourouma observed, "this disbursement depends on the improvement of good governance in Guinea."

Prins at the EIU said it is unlikely the EU or any of the other bilateral or multilateral donors that have helped prop up Guinea's struggling economy since the 1980s are going to help.

"The donors tend to tie economic and political reform together. Every once in a while the government gets back on track for a year or so in a fit of pro-reform efforts, and in between the donors release funds depending how government policy going, but it never lasts," she said.

Meanwhile, the management of public funds is poor, Prins said.

"Every once in while they rein in spending long enough to get donor support, then completely let things go a year after," he said. "The economy in general is in state of deterioration."

"They have got to the point where, especially, multilateral agencies are sceptical of lending much more to Guinea. France is still willing to provide some funding, mostly because they don't want it to completely deteriorate," Prins said.

Development aid to Guinea has been irregular since the International Monetary Fund cut ties with the country in 2002.

Guinea has extensive mineral reserves. High commodity prices have sparked an influx of mostly Russian and US companies keen to exploit Guinea's extensive bauxite reserves in the last 12 months, but analysts say it will be several years before the mines are filling government coffers in Conakry.

mc/nr/cs

Subject: Labour Minister, MPs Visit NASSIT's Project Development Site
From: MUMBO TUMBO DUMBO MUNKU
To: All
Date Posted: 13:30:51 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ac202-054.resnet.stonybrook.edu at 130.245.202.54

Message:
Labour Minister, MPs Visit NASSIT's Project Development Sites

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The Minister of Labour Social Security and Industrial Relations, Hon Alpha O.Timbo, the Chairman Parliamentary Oversight Committee on Labour and Social Security, Hon. Cecil Hanson, the Chairman Parliamentary Oversight Committee on Finance, Hon. Ibrahim Sesay, Hon. Ibrahim Bundu and Hon. Bami Chidi on Tuesday 17th October, 2006 went on a familiarisation visit to the Sierra Block Concrete Products Factory and the Real Estate Development Site at Angola Town and Goderich respectively

Subject: Look out
From: From the Grapevine
To: All
Date Posted: 13:12:21 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-70-243-200-222.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 70.243.200.222

Message:
My name is Mrs Michelle Johnson. I am a Principle Partner in a private vault company in London.

An African Governor has contacted me last week.

He's involved in the oil business and due to the high prices of crude oil he has a lot of cash money which he wants to invest abroad.

He has asked me to look for a reliable business partner who can help him to invest his money.

Your profit will be 15% of the total sum invested and 30% of the profit of the investment for a period of five years.

If you want more information, please contact me on micjohnson07@yahoo.co.uk or call me on my direct number +44-7930631759.(24hours).

Yours truly,

Mrs Michelle Johnson.

Telephone: +44-7930631759.(24hours)

Subject: To Sengbe and Alieu
From: Moses Fornah
To: All
Date Posted: 12:28:43 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-138-88-14-194.res.east.verizon.net at 138.88.14.194

Message:
Fellows, what ever happened to the discipline that comes with a university degree?

Subject: Re: To Sengbe and Alieu
From: M. Alieu Iscandari Esq
To: All
Date Posted: 14:46:38 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198

Message:
I have not posted anything on Edmund Koker or graced any of his postings. So I would appreciate it if you could leave me out of this one bra

Subject: Re: To Sengbe and Alieu
From: independent observer
To: All
Date Posted: 09:55:37 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 82.198.250.66

Message:

Bi tua beh ndupue luwaa!

Subject: Re: To Sengbe and Alieu
From: Congosah
To: All
Date Posted: 12:12:50 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-138-88-144-165.esr.east.verizon.net at 138.88.144.165

Message:
Typical congosah mende.

Subject: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Concerned Mum
To: All
Date Posted: 08:19:21 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: gandam@un.org
Entered From: at 85.159.201.52

Message:
Dear All,

Presently, there are over 150 Sierra Leonean kids out here in Freetown awaiting surgery. PIKIN BIZNES a local charity organisation which was founded by Mr Adonis Abboud who some of you already know had volunteered to start helping these kids. So far 2 kids (one which is mine) have been succesfully operated on in Paris France through the efforts of PIKIN BIZNES and the 3rd a 6 year old girl is presently awaiting surgery in Paris.

NOw, PIKIN BIZNES simply doesn't have money to take all of these kids to Paris for surgery immediately and there are some whose conditons require urgent medical attention.

As one of the parents whose child has benefitted from the good work of this organisation, i am trying to help raise funds so that these other kids can be given the opportunity to live as well. All i ask is that every well meaning Sierra Leonean out there donates whatever little they have to this organisation so that these kids will be given an opportunity to live. Remember nothing is too small to save a life.

If you're interested in donating, please send me an email and i'll give you details as to how you'll go about it.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Concerned Dad
To: All
Date Posted: 10:30:14 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-138-88-14-194.res.east.verizon.net at 138.88.14.194

Message:
As you may have known, giving out your email address these days can become a recipe to be defrauded. Why don't you post a physical address of the loctation of your organization in Freetown so prospective donors like me can check you out? I hope you don't take this personal as reality is it in Sierra Leone these day.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: M. Alieu Iscandari Esq
To: All
Date Posted: 11:42:31 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
dear Concerned Dad,
I know who concerned mum is and I can vouch that she is an honest and caring person. I am personally aware of her struggles and her trip to Paris with Addonis Abboud. As a matter of fact I was at the airport at Lungi on the day she left with her son for surgery and I am grateful to God that the surgery was successful.

Concerned Mum Alieu Doffs his hat to you sister.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: A Aboud
To: All
Date Posted: 05:51:11 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-143-81-204.range86-143.btcentralplus.com at 86.143.81.204

Message:
I dont want your hat:-)))We need donations

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 11:30:09 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
Entered From: px2nr.wp.shawcable.net at 24.66.94.141

Message:
Thanks. its easy that way

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Fund Raiser
To: All
Date Posted: 13:16:36 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-129-151-170.range86-129.btcentralplus.com at 86.129.151.170

Message:
I cannot agree more.Some of the names associated with this organisation,are rather dubious,and hence the accounitbility could be questionable.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: concerned mum
To: All
Date Posted: 10:51:50 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: gandam@un.org
Entered From: at 85.159.201.52

Message:
The answer to your question is simple, i can't give out the email address on this forum coz of the same reasons u've just mentioned but i've gone one step ahead by giving out my own email address here for you to contact me for th enumbers and mind you the organisation isn't mine. Thanks

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: concerned mum
To: All
Date Posted: 10:58:19 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: gandam@un.org
Entered From: at 85.159.201.52

Message:
ok i could post the address here on Monday but would have loved to give you contact numbers for the Managing Director and anyone including my very self but then i can't do that here on this forum that's what i was trying to say in my previous response.....

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 08:51:31 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
Entered From: px2nr.wp.shawcable.net at 24.66.94.141

Message:
This can be tough for you in curropt country like sierra leone even if you give name or agencies to send funds to.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: concerned mum
To: All
Date Posted: 09:00:56 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: gandam@un.org
Entered From: at 85.159.201.52

Message:
So, how have these innocent children contributed to the corruption in Sierra Leone? and Secondly, if you're a Sierra Leonean and do not wish to help because the country is corrupt, then there's no problem with that but just bear in mind that the individuals and organisation in France that are providing great assistance are doing that because they wanna save lives and nothing else.

And finally if you wanna help, just ask how you can help rather than making such a statement ok? Otherwise, please just ignore this particular topic. I'm sorry if i sound angry but i have been in the places of the parents of these kids and so i know what it feels like.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Sensitive
To: All
Date Posted: 12:20:25 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 199.219.129.101

Message:
Look, Man I can contribute upto $500 provided the organisation and its members can come public. I know someone that recently took her child to Paris for some kind of bypass sugery...but not with standing that, I think good course like this should not be using Code or what have you,
I will ask the organizers to contact the editor of Cocorioko, he can help charnell our donation. Forget about C that is condition we going to live with.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Friend of Sierra Leone
To: All
Date Posted: 13:19:06 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-129-151-170.range86-129.btcentralplus.com at 86.129.151.170

Message:
I can make some contribution, to the affected Child or its family, but neveer to an organisation,whichlack transparency.They may have sent 2 children to Paris for surgery, from Donors funds, but we do not know, how much funds were raised from Donors, in the name of these ailing children.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 19:43:26 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: bambaylk@yahoo.com
Entered From: n69102.lib.ucdavis.edu at 169.237.76.113

Message:
Brothers and sisters thank you for responding to this very significant situation. As I have said time and again, if this forum does not teach lessons, if one does not learn from these forums, there is nowhere one can learn.
We are learning day-in-day-out that the corrupt precedences have made it difficult for even the honest ones who wish to set a new pace towards helping Sierra Leonean children.
Nonetheless, Concerned Mum and all those out there that wish to make a difference, this is a lesson for you. Beware, that you will encounter these concerns for corruption from many people. As people who wish to make a difference, please consider one thing that all those who ask you these questions and even those who do not wish to make generous contributions do not hate Sierra Leone but most have lost faith. Therefore, in a setting like ours, where corruption has been said to be rampant, it takes patience and sacrifice to make a difference.
Concerned Mum, Pekin Bizness, be patient, as dedicated as you are, to see your dreams come true, for God's sake, the children's sake and for the sake of Sierra Leone, to look upon your goal and the reasons that motivated you to make a change not the frustration that comes with it. A mediocre looks at today. The vibrant and vivacious look at tomorrow (the future,) despite the trials and tribulations. You are a successor when you look at your goal and make the best effort to reach it. So the trials are pebbles on your path; step on them to get there.
I am confident of one thing, that if one's desires are pure, there is no way such a person will fail. Jesus Christ started his mission and was brutally murdered to stop his mission. Has his words and or mission been stopped? Martin Luther King was shot but has his dreams been killed? Abraham Lincoln was shot but has his dreams been killed? J.F.Kennedy was shot but did that kill his dreams? The first man who thought that an air plane could fly saw so much doubts or what have you. If they had told people seventy years ago that you will be writing from Sierra Leone, another person writing from Europe and another From the Americas and all can still live in these places and read what the three of them write on the same screen as if they were in the same room, within a split of a second, such gathering to which such is told would have been so quiet in disbelief, bewilderment and or dumbfounded. But see it is happening. Therefore it is human nature to doubt ideas and ideologies but the work is yours. Heck, people killed for ideas in the Stone Age. They perceive such people who initiate ideas to have spirits and therefore are evil, and bam! they are killed. Read about it in History.
Therefore, your missions will continue to grow if you persevere and diplomatically encourage and inform our brothers and sisters some of whom have been bitten ones or twice. Our people say if a snake kills one's mother and he sees a worm, it will draw his attention. So convince them that you are one of the bad apples by example and education. Think that your task is a herculean one and will face many obstacles, criticisms, concerns or what have you. But the ball is in your court to make people understand and cooperate. You might not convince many or you might convince all pending on God's force in you, if your desires are genuine and selfless, to convince the entire world to change the situation for these children or educate or help you educate the world about our children's situation. As the word spreads and the understanding takes root, your endeavors will pay-off for the mission to heal these children.
My heart bleeds that I have not completed my Nursing Degree due to unforeseen circumstances and I feel for my brothers and sisters who wish to help but cannot help because of fear, who are are in pain but cannot be comforted. You can make a difference but you have to be patient and persevere.
Once again, thank you and thank brothers and sisters for letting trying to educate us in an effort to make a difference. Please, please brothers make that difference. The life of a single individual might mean the life for a generation of people. Remember, the doctors who are working to save lives today, if they had died years ago when they were children, their expertise will have meant nothing to the lives of these children today. Had you the chance to do it all, curing the sick in Sierra Leone, there would have been no need for another doctor or for other persons contributions. We do not know who is the future Doctor amongst these children, who is the next Philip Emeagwali, the next President Clinton, the next Bill Gates, the next Warren Buffet or the next Astronauts, the next Bono, the next United Nations leaders among these kids. So why not take our chances to save their lives?
I do not have the means at this point but God knows I would have been side-by-side with you in an effort to make a difference for my people. So I should say thank you who are making physical differences in your small ways.
Necessity is the brain-child behind inventions and fear is the enemy of invention, so why not try? Go ahead brothers, give your try. Thank you Pekin Bizness.

Subject: Re: PIKIN biznes saving lives in Sierra Leone
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 20:00:44 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 169.237.52.8

Message:
Read:

Subject: SECURE, STABLE, and PEACEFUL that is SA LONE TODAY
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 06:23:22 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 82.198.250.7

Message:
The British High Commissioner to Sierra Leone said.....'There are hugh developement challanges in Sierra Leone, and the progress so far is impressive..'

She further went on to say that...'Sierra Leone is STABLE, SECURE, and PEACEFUL with a booming economy of 67 per cent..'

I WANT TO ASK ALL SIERRA LEONEANS IRRESPECTIVE OF POLITICAL COLOUR, AND IF YOU LOVE SA LONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RISK ALL THESE GOOD WORK?

THE Only way Out and the Only way Forward that is SLPP.

Over to you Sengbe.

Subject: Re: SECURE, STABLE, and PEACEFUL that is SA LONE TODAY
From: Albert Moinina
To: All
Date Posted: 01:11:51 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 59.160.169.60

Message:
My brother Cadmus, your appeal appears to be convincing to the unsuspecting. It is flawed for the following reasons:

1. Where is the evidence that if another party wins, we stand the risk of losing stability and peace?

2. Are the main causes for the war being addressed?

3. Are the people still not being exploited by corrupt officials?

4. A current survey shows that 97% of the SL population is poor. What is the SLPP's contribution to eradicate poverty or better the lives of our people? Mind you the SLPP government is only now talking about youth employment in the eve of the elections.

5. Berewa appears sometimes to distinquish himself from the current administration, but he is being part of it since the end of war.

6. Continuity is not the answer, but a CHANGE as PMDC is now requesting ALL SIERRA LEONEANS TO JOIN ON BOARD TO BETTER OUR BELOVED COUNTRY.

Hence, BEREWA IN PARTICULAR OF ALL PEOPLE is not fit to lead our BELOVED COUNTRY. SLPP unfortunately, you made a bad choice, you all know it, and it really going to hurt your party FOREVER.

Subject: Re: SECURE, STABLE, and PEACEFUL that is SA LONE TODAY
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 16:14:43 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
What more do you want me to add to your statement above, Cadmus?

They know what the truth is on the ground.

We are not there yet, but we are on our way with the SLPP in power.

Long live the SLPP, and God bless Sa Lon.

Subject: Re: SECURE, STABLE, and PEACEFUL that is SA LONE TODAY
From: Unmpatriotic Self-Delusion
To: All
Date Posted: 16:48:56 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
"We are not there yet, but we are on our way with the SLPP in power."

Subject: Re: SECURE, STABLE, and PEACEFUL that is SA LONE TODAY
From: CRASE DOG
To: All
Date Posted: 11:44:35 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
CADMUS MY FRIEND DO NOT TIE YOUR REPUTATION TO SENGBE. HE IS TRIBALISTIC YOU ARE NOT. HE IS INSULTING YOU ARE NOT, HE IS AN ASS ALL OF THE TIME AND YOU ARE AN ASS ONLY some OF THE TIME. LOL

Subject: BEREWA'S EXPLANATION FOR OUR POVERTY
From: Albert Moinina
To: All
Date Posted: 05:52:31 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: albert_j27@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 218.248.0.178

Message:
THIS IS PART OF BEREWA'S SPEECH TO THE PEACE BUILDING COMMISSION:

"In a recent briefing I gave on our development situation, I was asked the question, how do we explain the penury of our resources inspite of our enormous mineral wealth? This paradox which I prefer to call the ¡§Paradox of mineral wealth¡¨ can be explained as follows.

In the immediate aftermath of a conflict, government authorities are anxious for a return to normalcy. Negotiating with sophisticated mining companies in such circumstances is extremely difficult. Remember that the population is crying for employment and the resumption of economic activities. We have been careful in our dealings with mining companies not to pose difficulties that may deter other prospective investors from coming into Sierra Leone as we are keen to encourage more investors to come into the country. The result is that most of the agreements reached do not favor the country and so little dividend accrues to the State. This explains why we have plans with the IMF to re-negotiate our mining contracts."

Subject: Re: BEREWA'S EXPLANATION FOR OUR POVERTY
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 06:27:53 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
"The result is that most of the agreements reached do not favor the country and so little dividend accrues to the State. This explains why we have plans with the IMF to re-negotiate our mining contracts." -- SL Vice President Solomon Berewa, reportedly explaining why SL is poor despite abundant mineral resources.

The very simple questions that would conclusively expose Vice President Berewa's colossal incompetence and unfitness for leadership of SL are very simple ones, namely:

V.P. Berewa: Is the IMF in charge of the government of SL?

(a) If so, why is it necessary to have a shadow government in the form of the current SLPP government of which you are Vice President?

(b) If not, why does the Vice-President of SL gleefully admit the government of SL's plans to renegotiate the country's mining contracts are comprised entirely of its "plans with the IMF to re-negotiate our mining contracts?"

The answers to the above questions give a clue as to the real reason why SL is poor despite the abundance of mineral and other natural resources in the country. That reason is self-evident, namely:

The advantage of the vast resources with which our country has been blessed has been totally negated by the gargantuan incompetence and corruption of our so-called leaders since independence. Vice President Solomon Berewa represents the latest in that long line of Colonial Mentality-afflicted, unpatriotic zealots whose thirst for undeserved power is surpassed only by their affinity for incompetence and corruption.

The evidence? Mr. Berewa's gall in presenting himself as the best candidate to lead SL in 2007 -- thereby guaranteeing the continuation of the unpatriotic cabal of incompetent and corrupt S/Leoneans currently headed by the equally clueless President Ahmad Tejan Kabbah.

Subject: Re: BEREWA'S EXPLANATION FOR OUR POVERTY
From: Albert Moinina
To: All
Date Posted: 21:36:35 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 59.160.169.60

Message:
Thanks Mr. Jalloh for your eloquent questions. I hope someone in his camp will dare to answer these questions. Until Mr. Berewa can really show us his contribution to eleviate poverty he is not fit to be President. Apart from the shadow government of the SLPP government, VP is already running a shadow government within the government itself. He cannot escape this.

Subject: DIS DON MORNAH!
From: Paul Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 01:54:32 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: paul.bangs2020@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-114-54-119.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net at 71.114.54.119

Message:
I browsed the net and read a caption ".....MARCH TO ERADICATE POVERTY" and I shed tears. I went down on my knees and began to pray like I had never done before. I was asking God to open the eyes of our people to see the truth so that come July 2007, they will stop marching to eradicate poverty. I prayed so hard that they will see those who are making them march on empty stomachs to eradicate poverty. I wish I had my way, they will never march to eradicate poverty. If I had my way I will get them jobs. It is enough!Let us stop marching; we have been marching for too long. Some of us started marching in 1961 and are still marching in 2006 to eradicate the same poverty. That's ridiculous!

It is not marching that eradicates poverty.Poverty alleviation programs should not be on paper in files.
Where are their children whilst you march to eradicate poverty? E DU SO BO, E DU SO!

Subject: Re: DIS DON MORNAH!
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 11:35:09 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
Entered From: px2nr.wp.shawcable.net at 24.66.94.141

Message:
July 2007 will never make anyone rich or get out of poverty whoever wins.This is not politics.The PAUL KAMARA family i know have been in politics forever from sheki which made that family rich.After the death of ther Dad they all left with the wealth to overseas.I am sure you are one of them

Subject: Re: DIS DON MORNAH!
From: CRASE DOG
To: All
Date Posted: 11:46:28 10/20/06 ()
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PAUL KAMARA is NOT PAUL BANGURA

Subject: Statement to the Peace Building Commission
From: SOLOMON BEREWA
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Date Posted: 01:53:27 10/20/06 ()
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Statement to the Peace Building Commission
By H.E Solomon Berewa,
Vice President, Republic of Sierra Leone

October 12, 2006.

Mr. Chairman, Members of the Peace Building Commission, Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,

Permit me to begin this statement by thanking you, members of the Peace Building Commission (PBC), for accepting my country’s request to be one of the first cases for consideration by the Commission. For Sierra Leone, this Commission provides an opportune forum for an open dialogue with the international community on the challenges we face and our plans for the future.

We hope that the deliberations here will help us safeguard and sustain our hard-won peace. In addition, the lessons that are going to emerge here should be useful for the Commission’s work in the future.

May I also take this opportunity to congratulate the Chairman on his election to lead the Commission through uncharted paths, and to assure him of our full support.

Why is Sierra Leone here? It can be argued that there is now peace in the country, democratic elections have already been held with success, and all that the country should now do is get on with the normal business of development.

Indeed, one school of thought contends that the PBC can be more effective in the immediate aftermath of a conflict; the time when the country must deal with the challenges of providing humanitarian assistance and resuming the normal functions of the State. On the other hand, it is argued that the initial intervention should be done by the Office of Humanitarian Assistance (OCHA). Once that task is complete, then normal development can begin. Hence the needs of such a country are best addressed in Consultative Groups (CGs) and Round Tables (RTs). Well, all the above may be true, but they do not represent the whole truth.

Mr. Chairman, We are here because we are beginning to hear the alarm bells that signal very credible threats to our peace. Indeed our success as a viable state, pursuing development that is sustainable, is in jeopardy unless we can tackle immediately, certain obstacles in our path which, if not removed, may hinder our progress towards long term peace and stability.

We are here to share with you our plans to deal with some of the most daunting challenges we face in the hope of finding jointly with you possible options for resolving them.

We are also here to highlight certain areas that are often ignored, but that constitute impediments to our development agenda, and that may in turn threaten our peace and stability.

Mr. Chairman, Five years after the conflict, my country can take pride in having been able to restore the authority of the State throughout the country, disarm former combatants, resettle over one million displaced people, re-establish public and social institutions, rehabilitate and rebuild government infrastructure destroyed by the war, provide some basic services, and encourage businesses to return. In this short period, we have moved from the initial preoccupation with humanitarian assistance to grappling with the requirements of national reconstruction, the restructuring of state institutions and to the creation of an atmosphere of stability for normal life to return.

True, we have registered impressive successes in implementing the Poverty Reduction Strategy Programme with support from external donors. We have trebled school enrollment rates and doubled the number of health clinics etc;

We have opened the economy and now enjoy macro-economic stability; our exchange rate has remained stable over the last few years; we have maintained a programme with the Bretton Woods institutions; indeed the growth rate of 7+% we have generated over the last three years, sums up our economic performance.

In the area of governance, we have conducted local and national elections, pronounced free and fair by international observers, set up an independent electoral commission, as we continue to reform and reinforce key institutions like the Police, the Military, the Judiciary, the Public Service and the Media. At the same time, decentralization of state resources and authority is being pursued vigorously.

Notwithstanding all the above, we have no illusions that the more difficult tasks are still to come. Recognizing that failures in development policy and practice are at the root of the past conflict, we are now engaged in devising and designing options that would put us on an irreversible path to sustained development. Let me outline for you a few of the difficult tasks awaiting us.

YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT
Sierra Leone has a young population with over 60% below the age of 35, and almost 2 million between the ages of 15 and 35. The vast majority of these are unemployed. With over 75% of the population leaving on less than $2 a day, over 1.5 million youths live in conditions of poverty. Without jobs they are disenchanted, volatile and ready to erupt into violence.

We recognize that employment growth is closely tied with expansion of the economy. We also accept that this cannot be achieved overnight.

However, unless we can provide hope now, to the growing numbers of young people, they will either become fodder for ruthless and unsuccessful politicians, or resort to crime and other anti-social activities. In both cases, the result constitutes the most direct and serious threat to peace and stability. Government has therefore prepared a programme to provide employment opportunities in the short and medium term. By re-prioritizing and tight budget management, government has launched the programme with its own resources but look to external partners to meet some of the costs involved.

CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
Capacity weaknesses pervade all areas of the economy, and the effects are evident at all levels, especially in the public service. We cannot maintain the current levels of economic growth with existing capacity, nor can we deliver basic services efficiently using what we now have. Furthermore, weak capacity and its attendant inefficiencies encourage corruption. The government has therefore put this as one of the priority areas of action. Beginning with the civil service, a major reform programme is under way to modernize the service, streamline activities, rationalize institutions and reform pay scales. Equally important targets are the judiciary and the security sectors. Capacity development in Sierra Leone has had a chequered history in our development cooperation efforts and therefore, we are convinced that only creative and bold measures with our partners can ensure success this time around. Government is therefore looking for long term partnerships to accompany the process over time.

Let me now turn to the all important issue of accountability and the effective use of public resources. This can also be expressed negatively as, the misuse of public funds or corruption. As we all know, this is a function of many variables; inefficiency, poor management, weak coordination mechanisms, incompetence, and greed or corruption. What gets the headlines of course is corruption. This is why some of our partners feel that getting convictions in court for high profile cases is the answer.

While we believe that pursuing high profile individuals for corruption is necessary, (and we are doing so), it is far from sufficient to ensure that public resources are used effectively for development results. We have therefore provided full support to the Anti-Corruption Commission, by developing a national strategy for fighting corruption and by giving it complete independence to carry out its work. At the same time, we have also invested in dealing with the more invidious and pervasive factors such as inefficiency, poor management, lack of coordination and inappropriate competencies in the work place; in short, lack of capacity.

We have put in place robust financial management tools and launched a Results Management System that promotes accountability in all government agencies. Recent assessments by the IMF, World Bank, and our key bilateral partners have all praised the progress we have made while encouraging us to go even further.

While all this may appear impressive, the reality is that we are reaching the limits of progress at this stage precisely because of the effects of the recent conflict. Our capacity for service delivery destroyed by the war is only now being rebuilt. The institutions responsible are still weak, our revenue base for much needed capacity enhancements are limited; our justice and security sectors are doing the best possible but remain inadequate.

To complicate matters even further, we have to contend with the unintended consequences of development aid. Please permit me to state in detail some of the unintended consequences of the action of some of our donor partners which in turn became obstacles to the efforts of peace-building in a country such as Sierra Leone.

We estimate, for example, that about 25 % of aid to the country by-passes government channels; making it difficult to maintain a coherent policy in many areas covered by such aid. This is all the more serious because our government structures are still weak. A useful partnership would require support to government capacity building efforts instead of strengthening parallel structures with resources which tend to have better capacity because of access to resources.

Another example is that the fashion in Sierra Leone is for aid to be tied to what are referred to as “benchmarks”. (The term conditionality is no longer in vogue). Well, one donor recently compiled all the benchmarks into a table and we counted two hundred and one “benchmarks” on which we have to report regularly. And this is to be done by an administration that is emerging from a decade-long conflict. In recognition of this burden, we recently adopted another document referred to as the Improved Governance and Accountability Pact, IGAP.

Another example is the long delays associated with implementation. Nowadays, we hesitate to announce aid agreements because they can take up to two years to come to fruition. In the meantime our journalists and other citizens are quick to interpret non-action as evidence of the money having been misappropriated by so-called corrupt politicians!

This is further worsened by the micro-management of projects that are being implemented. Some development partners require the issuance of no objection for even the approved project items with thresholds which are as low as US$80,000. i.e. government would require the approval of some task manager for the funding of a sub-project that cost as low as that amount. Project whose implementation period should last only two - three years would therefore last for as long as five - six years. This delay worsens the frustrations of the beneficiaries who are interested only in the final products. There are also conditionalities associated with project sectors and project locat1ons dictated by what the partner has money for and not necessarily what the beneficiaries need.

An even more serious problem we face is the development of what ends up as a parallel system of government by donors. Let me explain. Donors finance what they think is civil society to undertake activities that the government should normally do but cannot, or do so with difficulty, because of weak institutions. I say “think” because we know that with limited job opportunities, the enterprising graduate just needs to set up an NGO. To the unsuspecting and sometimes naïve international organization or donor, this qualifies him for immediate access to money and a four-wheel drive. Overnight, the status of an insignificant organization in a small office with extremely limited membership and without the mandate of the people quickly changes. Indeed, there is now what can be described as an “NGO industry” in Sierra Leone and I am sure this is true of other post-conflict countries.

What is really scary is that the limited trained people we have tend to gravitate towards this industry, thus depriving our fledgling institutions of much needed qualified people. Furthermore, these groups are accountable only to their limited membership and to the donors that finance them.

Mr. Chairman, At one level, we are doing our best to re-establish the legitimate institutions responsible for service delivery, yet at another level, these very institutions are being undermined by parallel structures that are not accountable to the people at large, but are well funded. A recent case in point is the financing by a donor for the assessment of progress made in implementing the Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper (PRSP). The NGO involved did so and of course came up with findings different from those of the hard-pressed government officials. The NGO did not present this report to the Government but instead held a press conference to announce their results. Will this increase confidence in the institutions of government, or will the public now wait for the next report of another member of civil society to present findings on another subject? Please do not misunderstand me, we have no objection to genuine members of the Civil Society complementing Government’s effort in providing services to the public, or even acting as lobby groups or as checks to excesses or abuses alleged to be perpetuated by government officials. What I am saying is that there should be a balance between spending money on Non-formal Institutions and the strengthening of government institutions in a way that reflects the responsibility carried by these institutions. Clearly, government is mandated by the people to carry out State responsibility.

In short Mr. Chairman, the debate around the effective and efficient use of public resources should emphasise the other dimensions to it, as much as to corruption.

Another difficult task facing us is infrastructure development. While we have undertaken the policy reforms needed, we are still handicapped by poor infrastructure such as, electricity supply and the road network throughout the country which are poor. Rural access is very weak. In turn this limits the provision of health and other social services. There is still a huge gap between what is required and what is available in the area of social services. There are hosts of difficulties in accessing educational and health facilities. The target of having a school and a health centre in every 5 mile radius is far from being achieved. It also increases food prices etc.

Shortage of energy and water supply continue to stunt private sector development. The paradox is that, now that there is peace, the population expects all services to resume immediately or with greater intensity, and at least be at the level comparable to when the humanitarian NGOs were around. The population’s frustration in not getting the peace dividend immediately can be understood, because the inability of the State during this period is aggravated by the dramatic fall in external support, once the peace-keepers have left. Most of the non-state actors that supported the provision of basic services would have also left; external support for the government diminishes; even the level of security available when the peace-keepers were there could no longer be guaranteed. Humanitarian services begin to wane. The result of this development is an enormous strain on the meager resources of a country emerging from conflict.

On the normal development challenges, we are satisfied that we have got the policy framework right. For example, we have a programme with the IMF, the World Bank, the UNDP, the EU and bi-lateral donors. Government also has a PRSP and is preparing for an MDG assessment mission. Furthermore, we hope to reach the HIPC completion point by the end of the year which will lead to total debt forgiveness. What we have significant problem with is the capacity to implement the major programmes we have in place.

In a recent briefing I gave on our development situation, I was asked the question, how do we explain the penury of our resources inspite of our enormous mineral wealth? This paradox which I prefer to call the “Paradox of mineral wealth” can be explained as follows.

In the immediate aftermath of a conflict, government authorities are anxious for a return to normalcy. Negotiating with sophisticated mining companies in such circumstances is extremely difficult. Remember that the population is crying for employment and the resumption of economic activities. We have been careful in our dealings with mining companies not to pose difficulties that may deter other prospective investors from coming into Sierra Leone as we are keen to encourage more investors to come into the country. The result is that most of the agreements reached do not favor the country and so little dividend accrues to the State. This explains why we have plans with the IMF to re-negotiate our mining contracts.

A related problem concerns our fishery resources. Our artisanal fishermen are getting less and less catch because of the intrusion of foreign trawlers close to our shores. Coupled with that, we have limitations imposed on our exports of marine products by foreign trade and policy barriers. Consequently, our fishing grounds are being depleted, and an important source of food and revenue is generating much less than its potential.

The last difficulty related to the conflict that I wish to outline concerns the stability of the sub-region. Sierra Leone is not the only country that has been in crisis in the region. With our porous borders, any instability in a neighbourhood is bound to have a direct repercussion on us. There are also attendant issues like smuggling of drugs, diamonds, and human-trafficking. Reinforcing our security apparatus to control our borders has been a pre-occupation of our government. A better option, however, is to promote sub-regional programmes for border controls. Apart from our active participation in the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), revitalizing the Manor River Union (MRU) is a priority step.

To conclude Mr. Chairman, it would be necessary for me to remind you that the major constraints in consolidating peace and guaranteeing sustainable development include the massive youth unemployment, weak capacity, for service delivery, weak governance structures, and poor physical infrastructure. There is need to urgently address all these in our peace consolidation efforts. In the area of capacity, there is for instance, the need to strengthen government institutions and ministries whose mandate it is to address the above weaknesses. Furthermore, the private sector could serve as the engine for our development growth. Government is willing to provide the social, political and economic environment that will facilitate this growth. For this to happen, the building of institutions and mechanisms must be pursued vigorously. In the meantime, we need support to deal with the short term requirements of the population until we reach the levels of self-sustaining growth. This is where the Peace Building Commission can be helpful, and we have high hopes and expectations that the results of our deliberations here will produce concrete results in helping us to reinforce our peace. Thank you all for listening

Subject: Re: Statement to the Peace Building Commission
From: gibs
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Date Posted: 06:06:24 10/20/06 ()
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Acknowledge the source bra, acknowledge the source. that was from the Patriotic Vanguard.

Subject: Re: Statement to the Peace Building Commission
From: State House
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Date Posted: 08:37:53 10/20/06 ()
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Nope, it is from state house. May be you copied it from state house website. Did you acknowledge the source. You lie lie journalist.

Subject: Re: Statement to the Peace Building Commission
From: gibs
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Date Posted: 12:20:54 10/20/06 ()
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okay, pa. got it from a government official. you are right though.

Subject: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Paul Bangura
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Date Posted: 01:07:49 10/20/06 ()
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There is one thing I like about the Presidential "hopeful" who has been parading the US and England in search of cash to push his campaign. You know what? He misses his words and hides in jokes. I don't know if he knows that some of us do take him very seriously. Those of you in London and America that are fanning his campaign flame all over the place should tell him to be very selective about what he needs to tell us.

In New Jersey, he told Sierra Leoneans to go back home. He does not need to tell us to go back because he was not the one who told us to come here. We will be going back soon to vote. We have our investments there. But did you ask him why he included his daughter in his diplomatic team that came to the US? Don't tell me that she is now Mrs.Lansana, because are go vexx bad. Whether she is Mrs. Lansana or Mrs. Bangura, the fact is that she is his daughter.If they were doing well in that country, I bet you their children and their husbands will not be the US punching for uncle Sam. Don't forget that that lady lived in the US for sometime and went to back. She became a Secretary in her father's office to come back. WHY? I am not convincing you to stay. On a very serious note, our leaders are not being honest with us; and most of us are here because of their dishonesty.Corruption,nepotism, you name them, made us to find our exits and we are here today even though times are unfair with us,we still prefer to stay and punch to give to uncle Sam. It is not that we do not want to return home but.... One thing I believe is that there is no place like home,so we must all go and join in nation building; throw away the corrupt guys and replace them with them who have better visions.
Did you ask him about his son who lives in Atlanta? Has he gone back? He too is young and full of dynamism. Thank God, I am in Freetown and I am doing all I can to make sure that these recycled and over used politicians take the back seat. They have actually lost their worth and we should be replaced. SO UNA LEH WE GO-O BEFOE DEN SIDON DAE BACK FOR OTHER FIVE YEAR. UDAT LEF NA YAH SO GO FILLAM NAR IN EEYA.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE! Leh God bless u.
From: Emmanuel Jarrett
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Date Posted: 20:04:20 10/20/06 ()
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I currently live in the US but when I here stuff like what the so called VP and other POliticians say about Sierra Leoneans abroad, I Feel so sick in my stomach. Where are the Politicians's children? Where did most of them go to college at? (If deh not halakie weh u see some of dem) Why do these politicians come for medical treatment abroad. If you know you are doing the right thing for your country, you should be proud to use the resources that you have. They are all bunch of thieves who don't care about the masses but currupt them during times like this for their votes. If I choose to go to SL, I will be going to try to educate our people about what does electing these thieves mean for our country, it's people and those dissadvantaged people who cannot come and seek greener pasture abroad. It is so sad. These people cannot even provide basic neccessities for it's citizen. They ought to be ashamed of themselves if they have any conscience at all.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE! Join VP e poverty
From: Albert Moinina
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Date Posted: 02:41:38 10/20/06 ()
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Concord Times (Freetown)
October 19, 2006
Posted to the web October 19, 2006
Mariama Kandeh

A Medicine San Frontiere (MSF) 2005 survey on health emergencies in Sierra Leone reveals that 97% of the country's population is living in chronic poverty.
"97% of the population lives under the threshold of extreme poverty with less than $ 1/person/day," the report states, adding that a household of 7.4 people lives on an average of Le 24,500 a week (about $ 10).
It also divulged that in a predominantly poor population where a person spends less than $ 0.2 a day, to pay $ 3 for a single episode of sickness is a lot of money.
According to the report, in a hospital without external financial support, the price for a caesarian section is extremely high.
The report states that in some incidents mothers are kept in hospitals until they settle their bills. The family has to incur debt before they raised the funds.
The report shows that about 50% of the population does not use the formal health sector. It reveals that despite the national health policy stating children under five, suckling mothers and elderly people should be exempted from payment, only 3.5% are exempted.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Yaya Fanusie
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Date Posted: 01:37:14 10/20/06 ()
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Paul,
Thank you for your cogent commentary on Berewa's conduct during his recent campaign tour abroad. A very disturbing image is unfolding about this Berewa fellow. The early signs are not good. Nepotism, mental quirkiness, gutter level interperonal traits, bad leadership examples, gross incompetence in handling public relations.
You know the cliche " do not judge a book by its cover'.
Look at the Face of Berewa and you see a very ugly Face and every week he reveals patterns of an ugly personal character.
Yaya Fanusie

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: YAYA Fanusie
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Date Posted: 09:21:13 10/20/06 ()
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Yaya says..
'The early signs are not good.Nepotism, mental quirkiness, gutter level interpersonal traits...'
Sounds to me like the APC is back.....But then you should know about these things.BRAVO!

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Yaya Fanusie
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Date Posted: 17:59:38 10/20/06 ()
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Can you disclose you name instead of using my name.
I am back in the APC and I am happy about it.
Yaya Fanusie, Ph.D
www.coaforum.com

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Albert Moinina
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Date Posted: 02:51:10 10/20/06 ()
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Thank you for the HARD TRUTH Mr. Bangura and Fanusie. I hope and pray people realize that SIERRA LEONE is bigger than any political party we support. Yesterday, most SLPP supporters thought Berewa was not the right candidate. Today the same people are supporting him because he is the leader of the party.

Let's support our political parties, but ALWAYS remember that Sierra Leone is bigger than any political party. LET US NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW POLITICAL PARTIES BECAUSE OF PAST RECORDS OR ASSOCIATIONS.

I pray for that day when we Sierra Leoneans look at our politicians and assess their leadership capability objectively for the good of the country.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 03:09:39 10/20/06 ()
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Berewa is the BEST candidate of the lot trying to run for the presidency of Sa Lon in 2007. This is the main reason we support him.

Better yet, he is the least of the three evils vying for this office, hence the support.

Oonar go Salone nor. Whodat tie oonar foot?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Albert Moinina
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Date Posted: 05:38:22 10/20/06 ()
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MR. SENGBE WROTE: "Better yet, he is the least of the three evils vying for this office, hence the support."

MOININA'S QUESTION: Berewa being one of the three evils, can you tell us his evils?

Thank you in anticipation of your elaboration.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 10:28:11 10/20/06 ()
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See no evil.

Hear no evil.

Speak no evil.

Figure of speech, my friend.

Solo B all the way in 2007.

That is all you need to know.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Yaya Fanusie
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Date Posted: 18:03:58 10/20/06 ()
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Sengbe,
Yu nah slpp buffoon!
Yaya

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 19:23:27 10/20/06 ()
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Thank you, Bra Yaya.

I'd rather be an SLPP buffoon, than an apc one.

All oonu sabi for do nar for cuss, rudeness, tiffy-tiffy, ehn lie-lie.

U nor see Bum Mansaray traday nar dis forum, ehn u nephew.

How u do bra?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Yaya Fanusie
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Date Posted: 22:22:39 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: Saigobe@lanset..com
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SLPP SENGBE,
Nah unah SLPP born RUF so me lek for dey nah the tifi tifi lie lie kabudu. And I will say the average Salone person prefer Kabudu tif tif to RUF; en RUF dem creator, di SLPP.
if yu get small horse sense yu now go bother me.
Yaya.
Yu sabi now why dem call me a political thug.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: NAR TRUE
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Date Posted: 10:50:01 10/20/06 ()
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"See no evil.

Hear no evil.

Speak no evil."

Yu mean say, sengbe , yu dae take tem tell we say yu blind lek bat, yu deaf lek cork yase man, and yu dumb lek mumu?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Yaya Fanusie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:09:04 10/20/06 ()
Email Address: Saigobe@lanset..com
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Message:
In sum:
Sengbe nah buffoon!
Sengbe nah slpp donkey. he noh know he behen from he haede. ee dey eat inyon kakka.
Yaya

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 19:26:14 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
Norto u teach me? U don forget. Nar the old age wae dae pan you. U still dae falla dem juvi dem?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Waraba
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Date Posted: 22:32:25 10/20/06 ()
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Yes, Brah. Yu get wan for mi?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 09:41:34 10/21/06 ()
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Wae u cam MD for settle ar go gi u wan.

Oose age u want?

Ar nor mean den fourteen-year old dem wae u dae pass behen nar Cokeland oh. Ee for be at least 21 since u so old ehn geh big belleh.

apc Waraba with ee big fat stomach.

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: ROTFLMMFAO
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Date Posted: 11:48:38 10/20/06 ()
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yu blind lek bat, yu deaf lek cork yase man, and yu dumb lek mumu?

Subject: Re: LEH WE ALL GO SALONE!
From: Tell Us Why
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Date Posted: 03:19:24 10/20/06 ()
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"Berewa is the BEST candidate of the lot trying to run for the presidency of Sa Lon in 2007. This is the main reason we support him."

WHY is "Berewa is the BEST candidate of the lot trying to run for the presidency of Sa Lon in 2007?"

If you can tell us that, we MIGHT take you seriously.

Subject: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Obvious
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Date Posted: 00:36:03 10/20/06 ()
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Posted by Obvious on October 20, 2006 at 00:31:38:

In Reply to: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate posted by ST/ on October 19, 2006 at 18:38:48:
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"Some kind of salad they have trained you to eat?" -- Sahr T aka "ST/"

Sounds to me like you are racist, "Sahr T aka "ST/":

1. Who is "they" who you think "have trained you to eat?"

Of, course, if you an African, instead of a white person, your crude verbiage could mark you (equivalently) as utterly tribalistic. Which would explain your affinity for the like-minded simpleton, Edmund Koker aka Sengbe.

Or, again, you could just be rude -- yet another repugnant trait you share with Koker.

2. As to your out-of-leftfield claim, "It'll convince you that H and T are vowels!," please tell us where I ever claimed that "H and T are vowels"

For your necessary guidance, that means your answer should end the following sentence:

You stated that "H and T" are vowels" on .......[insert date] when you wrote .... [quote what you believe I ACTUALLY wrote].

Please note that you can not escape the bind you have heedlessly tumbled into by claiming nonsensically, as you did in your dense reply: "Got it"

Nor can you claim that, as you sought (even more densely) to do on my unbidden behalf, that: "you tried to be funny, made a mistake."

And, finally, no, you can not run away from my question in "2" above. That would make you too much a clone of the empty coward, Edmund Koker aka sengbe, your over-reaching wannabe "educative" self-promoter!

Hehehehe

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sahr T/
To: All
Date Posted: 06:44:57 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-68-38-172-93.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.38.172.93

Message:
Hmm.

I have studied this situation very carefully.

And the only thing I think I share with Sengbe in this regard is that I too feel that you are a maggot.

Or, its ''equivalent''.

Of course, I mean that only in the nicest, non-racist, non-tribalistic, non-repugnant, non-nonsensical, non-heedlessly and non-every other three syllable word you had to strain your brain to create kind of way.

ST!

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 10:39:37 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
The GREAT SAHR T/ stated that:

"...And the only thing I think I share with Sengbe in this regard is that I too feel that you are a maggot..."

That is it?

The silly little maggot thinks that he is the "bomb" when it comes to intellectualism. He espouses the most stupid economic theories / ideas ever read by mankind, and the ignorant ones on this forum think he is smart enough to be in your / our class.

Shallow Jalloh needs a check-up from his neck up.

The boy is a stupid fool.

Woroke! Woroke!! woroke!!

Sahr T/ do you have any "woroke" for this motheren?

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Judge Jury
To: All
Date Posted: 10:54:44 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-69-142-135-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net at 69.142.135.50

Message:
'Woroke! Woroke!! woroke!! '

very crude and tribalistic, sengbe.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Shame
To: All
Date Posted: 10:46:40 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
Sengbe, I am begining to believe that Bambay was right bout you. you nor dae behave lek educated porsin.

if all you can do is abuse people, what does that say about your upbringing, man? truly, you have again become a disgrace on this forum in the two short days that you have returned. A shame.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 10:56:45 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
Bambay never said anything negative about me. In fact he graciously welcomed me back.

Bambay was alluding to you, Shallow Jalloh, and that drug addict mongrel masquerading as a lawyer.

The two of you, and that quack, are the real disgrace to this forum.

If I were such a disgrace to this forum, I would not be graciously welcomed by the Reverend Kanu himself, nor would I be generating the tons of responses I get for the threads I initiate.

Your upbringing is worse than mine, considering the fact that you were brought up to be infinitely jealous, and condescending to others. But I will match you stupidity with firmness and smartness.

You borgeddor, you.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Falla me with you crase.

Yoptoi! yopmat!! Ee dina hui!!! Borterrmar bui!!

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: BIG FALL
To: All
Date Posted: 11:31:21 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
"drug addict mongrel masquerading as a lawyer"

Are you man enough to name this person? Show us youve got some balls. I see a lawsuit comming professor and this time around you may need to call more than your uncle Kenny to your rescue.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 12:11:18 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
Bo alieu go sidom sarful in your drug-crazed stupor.

What has my uncle "Kenny" got to do with this?

In your stupidity, please sue me.

In the process, when the truth about you comes out, the CA Bar will take back what was grudgingly given to you a few short years ago.

I see that you have resorted to using all kinds of monikers to defame me and others on this forum. Using all kinds of vulgarities, including mammy-cuss, and the like.

Every sane person on this forum, and in peeperdom know about your rude antics. Is that the way Pa Iscandari, and you mother brought you up in Foulah Tong?

You are nothing but an anti-social skunk of the highest degree.

Keep it up, and you'd be disbarred very soon.

Ponk-arsed morda-phocker (sic).

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: British Bar
To: All
Date Posted: 22:58:42 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198

Message:
I didnt know that the bar any bar grudingly gives ANYONE a license. He has to have earned it my friend. BTW why are you so repulsive. You stink in the way you conduct your asinine self on this forum. You have still not been able to get the bush out of you.

I have not seen any vulgarities from Iscandari but in the past two days that you have been back man the forum stinks like reclaimed carbolic acid.

So whats with you have you been taking your psyche meds? You ned to stay on those meds me man because nar crase you don begin for crase so. Go ahead call me iscandari now.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: US Bar
To: All
Date Posted: 09:50:12 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
Phock u!(sic)

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: British Bar
To: All
Date Posted: 12:05:27 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-67-124-87-182.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net at 67.124.87.182

Message:
Just like I said yoiu are indeed rude and I now see why Iscandari exposed your rotten ass the last time.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: M. Alieu iscandari Esq
To: All
Date Posted: 14:49:03 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198

Message:
DNR

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Judge
To: All
Date Posted: 11:05:14 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
sebgbe, Shame is right. Bambay called you a disgrace to educated people.

Kabs is known to tolerate all manners of people, even a crude tribalist like you.

Bambay was right about you. You are a disgrace to this forum, Edmund Koker.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Fan of Kabs
To: All
Date Posted: 08:29:43 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: h167-156-253.63.chubb.com at 167.156.63.253

Message:
Allieu Iscandari wrote :

"Kabs is known to tolerate all manners of people, even a crude tribalist like you"

Including your raray-bat creole sister, Sylvia Blyden.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sengbe Stop
To: All
Date Posted: 10:34:52 10/21/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
Edmund Koker calling yourself Fan of kabs, please stop using false names to drag this forum down to your level. we are tired of rudeness,especially from a crude trbalist like you.

do you have no shame, sengbe?

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Obvious
To: All
Date Posted: 06:59:47 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
"And the only thing I think I share with Sengbe in this regard is that I too feel that you are a maggot." -- Sahr T/

Which only confirms that you are a shameless liar. Even without the following additional evidence that you unwittingly presented to us:

"Of course, I mean that only in the nicest, non-racist, non-tribalistic, non-repugnant, non-nonsensical, non-heedlessly .... kind of way."

Is it any wonder that you and the dense Sengbe, the foul-mouthed, overreaching "educative" tribalist, share similar thoughts -- by your own reluctant admission?

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Sahr T/
To: All
Date Posted: 07:11:07 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-68-38-172-93.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.38.172.93

Message:
A little vexed eh?
I think I'll let you simmer.
Duty calls.

I'll continue to poke fun at you later today for using the forum to try to show everyone how many big boy words you know.

Hopefully, at some point you'll ''get it''.

''Reluctantly'' I'm sure.

Got it?

Enjoy your verbiage for lunch -

Cheers.

ST/

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Obvious
To: All
Date Posted: 07:25:46 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
"A little vexed eh?. " Sahr T/

I see, bra Sahr T, that, like the "educative" Sengbe whom you admit to sharing the sdame though, you also use words whose meanings you clearly do not know!

That's in addition to having shown us -- unwittingly, of course, since we know you to be a shameless liar -- that you are also racist.

My friend, if you think I am vexed, you must also share your soul-mate, Sengbe's penchant for self-delusion! Heheheheh

As you run away -- naturally, while compulsively lying about it, about "duty calls" (what duty? heheheh) -- we know the truth: That, in truth, you also share Sengbe's other shameful habit -- cowardice!

See you, Bra "Got it?" whenever you return from your lying "duty" call -- at which time I will present you the questions you imagine you have successfully run away from. LOL

A. AS REGARDS YOUR RACUST STATEMENT: "Some kind of salad they have trained you to eat?" -- Sahr T aka "ST/"

1. Who is "they" who you think "have trained you to eat?"

2. As to your out-of-leftfield claim, "It'll convince you that H and T are vowels!," please tell us where I ever claimed that "H and T are vowels"

hEHEHE

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Forum Watcher
To: All
Date Posted: 09:31:07 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 146.145.71.75

Message:
Forget it.
He has been around for years.
He is only toying with you.
He will not be drawn into usual foolishness.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Obvious
To: All
Date Posted: 09:49:59 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
"He will not be drawn into usual foolishness."

So, who was wallowing in the foolishnes he displayed earlier this morning?

His twin? LOL

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Forum Watcher
To: All
Date Posted: 12:07:53 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 146.145.71.75

Message:
I recognize his sense of humor that is ST.
he will ignor the rest and address forum veterans
he is a long time poster from 1990's against ruf and afrc

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Alieu Stop
To: All
Date Posted: 00:55:25 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ac202-054.resnet.stonybrook.edu at 130.245.202.54

Message:
Can someone please put a stop to Alieu Iscandri? Where is moderator and Kabs. This guy is a nuisance.

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Not Alieu but Mohammed Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 01:02:19 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ool-44c29146.dyn.optonline.net at 68.194.145.70

Message:
It is not Alieu. It is Mohm Jalloh

Subject: Re: TWO QUESTIONS FOR "SAHR T"
From: Why Should Alieu Stop''
To: All
Date Posted: 01:08:08 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
It is not Alieu. It is Nancy Jusu. Or, Solo Briwa! Or, Bai Bureh.

Point is: Let Sahr t answer the question. Dom't matter if Joe Blow asked it.

Subject: VP WHERE WERE YOU? 97% Sierra Leoneans Live in Poverty
From: Albert Moinina
To: All
Date Posted: 23:07:57 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: albert_j27@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 218.248.0.178

Message:
97 Percent Sierra Leoneans Live in Poverty

Concord Times (Freetown)
October 19, 2006
Posted to the web October 19, 2006
Mariama Kandeh

A Medicine San Frontiere (MSF) 2005 survey on health emergencies in Sierra Leone reveals that 97% of the country's population is living in chronic poverty.
"97% of the population lives under the threshold of extreme poverty with less than $ 1/person/day," the report states, adding that a household of 7.4 people lives on an average of Le 24,500 a week (about $ 10).
It also divulged that in a predominantly poor population where a person spends less than $ 0.2 a day, to pay $ 3 for a single episode of sickness is a lot of money.
According to the report, in a hospital without external financial support, the price for a caesarian section is extremely high.
The report states that in some incidents mothers are kept in hospitals until they settle their bills. The family has to incur debt before they raised the funds.
The report shows that about 50% of the population does not use the formal health sector. It reveals that despite the national health policy stating children under five, suckling mothers and elderly people should be exempted from payment, only 3.5% are exempted.

Subject: HOMESTAD TO DEPRIVE READERS OF COCORIOKO
From: KABS KANU
To: All
Date Posted: 20:35:11 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
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Subject: Secret Service
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 20:19:17 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cat14.liblab.csus.edu at 130.86.14.114

Message:
A friend was in front of me coming out of church one day, and the preacher was standing at the door as he always is to shake hands. He grabbed my friend by the hand and pulled him aside The Pastor said to him, "You need to join the Army of the Lord!"

My friend replied, "I'm already in the Army of the Lord, Pastor." ]

The Pastor questioned, "How come I don't see you except at Christmas and Easter?"

He whispered back, "I'm in the secret service. "

Subject: Sensitive Beer
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 20:15:22 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cat14.liblab.csus.edu at 130.86.14.114

Message:

Sensitive Beer

Three hicks were working on a telephone tower - Steve, Bruce and Jed. Steve falls off and is killed instantly.

As the ambulance takes the body away, Bruce says, "Someone should go and tell his wife."

Jed says, "OK, I'm pretty good at that sensitive stuff, I'll do it."

Two hours later, he comes back carrying a case of beer.

Bruce says, "Where did you get that, Jed?"

"Steve's wife gave it to me," Jed replies.

"That's unbelievable, you told the lady her husband was dead and she gave you beer?"

Well, not exactly", Jed says. "When she answered the door, I said to her, 'You must be Steve's widow'."

She said, "No, I'm not a widow!"

And I said, "I'll bet you a case of Budweiser you are.

Subject: SLPP liars tell me, What will make Berewa wins 2007?
From: Diaspora
To: All
Date Posted: 16:08:35 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 141-64-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl at 88.159.64.141

Message:
This is from a reliable source. Unlike, you and me, the people are on the ground.

Sierra Leone: 97 Percent Sierra Leoneans Live in Poverty

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Concord Times (Freetown)

October 19, 2006
Posted to the web October 19, 2006

Mariama Kandeh

A Medicine San Frontiere (MSF) 2005 survey on health emergencies in Sierra Leone reveals that 97% of the country's population is living in chronic poverty.

"97% of the population lives under the threshold of extreme poverty with less than $ 1/person/day," the report states, adding that a household of 7.4 people lives on an average of Le 24,500 a week (about $ 10).

It also divulged that in a predominantly poor population where a person spends less than $ 0.2 a day, to pay $ 3 for a single episode of sickness is a lot of money.
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According to the report, in a hospital without external financial support, the price for a caesarian section is extremely high.

The report states that in some incidents mothers are kept in hospitals until they settle their bills. The family has to incur debt before they raised the funds.

The report shows that about 50% of the population does not use the formal health sector. It reveals that despite the national health policy stating children under five, suckling mothers and elderly people should be exempted from payment, only 3.5% are exempted.
Copyright © 2006 Concord Times. All rights reserved. Distributed by AllAfrica Global Media (allAfrica.com). Click here to contact the copyright holder directly for corrections -- or for permission to republish or make other authorized use of this material.

Subject: Re: SLPP liars tell me, What will make Berewa wins 2007?
From: Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 06:58:40 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 64.12.117.8

Message:
Please tell us the Percent of the population living in poverty between 1980 1995, then we can discuss.

SLPP will win in 2007 unless the current Presidential Candidates show they can better than current govt. Additionaly , the voters will vote for the candidate that is going spend most cash and promise the chiefs and heads of organizations the most.Sierra Leoneans like the easy life.

Subject: Bishop Biguzzi and Half-baked journalists
From: Rambler
To: All
Date Posted: 15:54:31 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-70-243-200-222.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 70.243.200.222

Message:
(Culled from Standard Times)

Shedding crocodile tears .....Bishop Biguzzi and Half-baked journalists
Posted by on Oct 19, 2006, 10:02

Myopic and parochialism perhaps are the principal factors responsible for the unprofessional behavior of some newspaper editors in Sierra Leone. Sadly, those who are busy publishing what they called “A Press release from group of Sierra Leonean migrant in the white man’s land are doing that to satisfy their religious ego. Unfortunately this is neither a criteria nor a requisite of the profession. The cardinal requirement is “TRUTH” and it must be the greatest truth for the benefit of mankind.
It is like Aristotle talking about the gen… for the general public the question. One would therefore wish to ask pertaining to the so-called press release about the St. Francis school saga is it in the interest of the general public or is it only in the interest of Bishop Biguzzi, the Italian priest resident in Makeni?
A close examination of the press release revealed one aspect of the bias stance of the writer and even those editors publishing the release. The objective is to exonerate the Italian Bishop and carpeting the truth. This in the interest of the public should not be the focus of either side (editors and writer).
The crisis at the St. Francis school in Makeni is bigger than the Bishop who should have used every managerial skill to contain it, but since he failed to do so as head of the Makeni Diocese and equally so as proprietor of school, fingers are right to be pointed at him.
This is not an issue of Standard Times versus the Catholic Mission, but an issue of administrative partiality and by extension administrative corruption, which the head of the Catholic institution should have curbed long ago. The level of parochialism exhibited clearly shows a misrepresentation of the facts as they should be. Standard Times is not attacking the Catholic Mission as an entity, but an individual or group of individuals using the Mission to cover their dirty game, also at the same time manipulating the truth. Sadly the writer of the press release and the editors who were equally misdirected in their journey to a public relation firm on behalf of Bishop George Biguzzi.
One would recall the 15th Century period when the Catholic Mission was heavily criticized by other religions denominations that key players of the Mission found extremely difficult to handle initially as barrage of criticisms continued to be levied against the institution. The step adopted was to recruit St. Augustine of Hippo to undertake a public relation exercise on behalf of the Catholic Mission in an attempt to present a different picture of the Mission. By then St. Thomas Aquinas referred to as the “Angelic Doctor” was very unhappy with such development, hence St. Augustine was assisted with the task.
Perhaps this is what the George Biguzzi or the writer of that press release wait to see happen, for the press in Sierra Leone to undertake a clearing exercise of the Bishop of Makeni. The question is, how effective the exercise would be is the million dollar question. Some of these editors have failed to read. This is not a war between Standard Times and the Catholic Mission but a war launched against corruption in a school setting to which a Catholic priest is the proprietor and allegedly involved in the manipulation of the administration of the school and the education policy of the Ministry of Education
The emotions/sentiment expressed by the press release writer and the editors of the local newspapers could well be understood. Some ran the release to express their grudge that had long been nurtured, while some did it to satisfy either the Bishop who is the principal player in the saga or for material gains.
The attempt has an unshakable impact on the editorial board of the Standard Times whose focus in exposing corruption at the St. Francis School cannot be titled or destroyed for any reason. The truth is that the administration of the St. Francis School was tampered with by a group of intellectually dishonest individuals whose ambition was to bend the rules of the ministry of education and cause administrative setback. This press was in possession of various and explicit documentary evidence pointing fingers at the Bishop, chairman of the school board and the acting principal of the school.
As an obligation to the general public this press commenced an unregrettable exercise by exposing the ills in that particular society. Those who have been following the trend of publication are convinced that Standard Times have been doing a good job. The ministry of education equally has lend credence to the various publications of the Standard Times press, if not it could have come out with a rebuttal of what had been published, but since these publications were accompanied by documentary evidence there was nothing to challenge except those myopic editors who had imagined that the Bishop is a Saint who should not be touched.
If the imagination is correct, what about Bishop Ganda who received a full time lecture by Dr. Peter Tucker of the same Catholic denomination? The editors could have turned on Dr. Peter Tucker to caution him or tell him what to do regarding the exposition he made about Bishop Ganda.
As I always indicated that the profession of journalism is one that is equal to other professional bodies in the world therefore its fundamental principles must be understood and properly implemented without bias or favour as the adage goes what is good for the goose is equally good for the gander.
One finds it inconceivable to fathom any reason for the hue and cry and the significance of the press release against the Standard Times press and its executive editor who was recently elected to the office of vice president of SLAJ. Does the election to that office means a change in the focus of the editorial board of this medium? No! This press has always been a crusader of corrupt practices in the country and would even remain to pursue that objective.
Therefore when ill-motivated editors and ill-equipped medical students who had established a newspaper to practice a profession he/she has no business in should acknowledge the basic fact that attacking the Standard Times executive editor is neither a solution to the problem at the St. Francis school nor the election of Philip Neville to the office of vice president of SLAJ would change the editorial stance of the paper.
The crocodile tears should be over by now as the ministry of education has taken a tough and unbending action to resolve the impasse.
Had it not been for the consistency of Standard Times on the matter one would imagine what the fate of the St. Francis School would have been few months from now.

Subject: Sign the Petition. Send it to newspapers in S/leone
From: Source
To: All
Date Posted: 15:00:26 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 141-64-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl at 88.159.64.141

Message:

Welcome to the "Jus-gi-we-di-light" petition/campaign. If you would like to sign the petition then click on the link below.

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Comments by victoria on 26 August 2006 at 23:18 IP Logged
una nor just for day gi di light to di wan den way able for day scoff money nar una face for impress den wan dem way day nar hotel.duya gi we di light
United Kingdom

Comments by VANESSA on 27 February 2006 at 19:43 IP Logged
Better to do something than nothing but lets face facts writing petitions won't work with our type of govt. Democracy isn't at it's best in SL is it?
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Comments by Jenneh Mason on 20 January 2006 at 14:52 IP Logged
Profit is impossible in my businesses.Kids only know DARKNESS and thats evil! what about their eyesight in 20 years from now!
Sierra Leone

Comments by Umu Bintu Kabba on 17 January 2006 at 17:27 IP Logged
Our people have suffered long years of social deprivation and continuin to keep them suffering especially in the dark, is a great disgrace to humanity
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Comments by Janice Bras on 17 January 2006 at 14:52 IP Logged
Sierra Leone has been in darkness for too long: We are in the twenty first century and not progressing; this is wrong in every sense
France

Comments by fatima koroma on 13 January 2006 at 20:36 IP Logged
2006 Sierra Leoneans live in darkness despite all its wealth.electricity is not a priviledge but a right.Allah help our country.
United Kingdom

Comments by kona katembwe on 12 January 2006 at 14:06 IP Logged
Come on, this is the 21st century not the middle age. Revenues from Diamond, gold, etc. sales can be used to solve this problem. Let's grow in Africa
United Kingdom

Comments by zainab Turay on 12 January 2006 at 12:06 IP Logged
In total support of "just gi we de light".
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Comments by Fatima on 11 January 2006 at 13:57 IP Logged
Sa Lone need light for our children and grandchildren so do ya we dey ask the goverment for try en bring light to the country.
United Kingdom

Comments by Kemi Harper on 11 January 2006 at 10:58 IP Logged
It is shameful and ridiculous that in this day and age, a whole country has to go without basic needs.
United Kingdom
Comments by Henrietta Cole on 11 January 2006 at 10:47 IP Logged
We've waited endlessly for electricity supply. Things are getting from bad to worse.
We don't want a "ghost town". Oona jus gee we de light
United Kingdom

Comments by Susan Otero de Irizar on 11 January 2006 at 10:21 IP Logged
Jus gi wi di light man!
Spain

Comments by Mariama Smart on 10 January 2006 at 14:23 IP Logged
That's all we ask for.
United States

Comments by Sahr O. Fasuluku LLB on 06 January 2006 at 18:17 IP Logged
This petition keeps the issue exposed and ensures Government doesn't downgrade it's importance. Grassroots democracy at work. www.asfasuluku.org
United Kingdom

Comments by Susan Otero de Irizar on 28 December 2005 at 08:30 IP Logged
Tired of promises, Jus gi we di light!
Spain

Comments by Hassana Koroma on 05 December 2005 at 21:23 IP Logged
Please help Sierra Leone to get back its electricity.
Thanks very much
Sierra Leone

Comments by Malvia Coomber on 05 December 2005 at 15:14 IP Logged
Compassion is the word i'm gonna use because u guys dnt seem to understand 'resonsibility'.if u have any sense, that sums up my appeal.
United Kingdom

Comments by Alhaji on 28 November 2005 at 17:40 IP Logged
Can't wait for the day that the whole contry will light up at once, that will be great advancement for us, as Sierra leoneans
United States

Comments by Jamilla Jack on 25 November 2005 at 01:09 IP Logged
its about time something is done!!!
Sierra Leone

Comments by Thomas King on 15 November 2005 at 09:49 IP Logged
we need light for industrailisation to take place in sa lone (sweet Salaone)
Comments by Thomas King on 15 November 2005 at 09:49 IP Logged
we need light for industrailisation to take place in sa lone (sweet Salaone)
United Kingdom

Comments by Kadija Jalloh on 14 November 2005 at 00:43 IP Logged
This wil definitely be a step up for Sa Lone!
United States

Comments by Fas Bayoh on 12 November 2005 at 14:34 IP Logged
100 PERCENT for this..........
Sierra Leone

Comments by Philip Clarkson on 12 November 2005 at 12:08 IP Logged
blackout blackout blackout!its time to give it a change.let there b light.
Sierra Leone

Comments by Krio Boy on 11 November 2005 at 21:51 IP Logged
Acta Non Verba!!!
United States

Comments by Zainab Mansaray on 10 November 2005 at 18:34 IP Logged
LIght is the source of life.
United States

Comments by Alimamy Kargbo on 10 November 2005 at 11:14 IP Logged
we hope u improve on the work started so that by 2006 we enjoy at 18hrs light
Sierra Leone

Comments by SYLVIA FASULUKU on 10 November 2005 at 09:56 IP Logged
DUYA UNA GI MI LIGHT.LIGHT NA 1 FAKTOR 4 DEVELOPMENT.
Czech Republic

Comments by Hubert Williams on 10 November 2005 at 01:18 IP Logged
What a no-brainer...
United States

Comments by mbailorbah on 09 November 2005 at 08:55 IP Logged
hope the latest promise holds true or else.....
Sierra Leone omments by lanfia kondeh on 08 November 2005 at 08:51 IP Logged
me tink say if we no get light we no go ever progress. so mek we put al we streng as wan en try 4 mek bumbuna don. na we 4 hep we self na sa lone
Netherlands

Comments by David Amadu on 07 November 2005 at 18:31 IP Logged
Constant electricity will elimininate death by the bite of a mosquito. Seriously.
United States

Comments by Issa Kamara on 04 November 2005 at 22:37 IP Logged
we need light
United States

Comments by UNISA DIZO-CONTEH on 04 November 2005 at 13:03 IP Logged
Electricity is vital to the genuine development of Sierra Leone - And governmnet should stop making phony promises and get the work done.
United Kingdom

Comments by Hamidu B. Jalloh on 03 November 2005 at 04:32 IP Logged
I commned your aspiration to involve Sierra Leones in the nations development.
United States

Comments by Fatoma C. on 31 October 2005 at 14:29 IP Logged
Darkness ends with Light ! WE have lived the reverse of this for too long . Please giwe di light !
Sierra Leone deserves a brighter
future .
France

Comments by Matthew T Nyuma on 31 October 2005 at 02:51 IP Logged
It is of national importance.Thanks to those who were inspired with this vision and are working in that light. The light should come and stay.
China

Comments by KK on 30 October 2005 at 23:11 IP Logged
Electricity = Better healthcare
United States

Comments by Ophelia Macauley on 30 October 2005 at 11:05 IP Logged
This is REALLY PATHETIC! If you can't do the job, QUIT. Let someone else who can give our people a BASIC NECESSITY have a go! It is a JOB!
Denmark

Comments by Ibrahim Abe Kamara on 28 October 2005 at 16:16 IP Logged
The government need to pay more attention in developing the country than focusing more into political problem.And one of the main thing is light.
United States

Subject: Drive to put Sierra Leone in a safe road.Support the Action
From: Source
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Date Posted: 14:57:15 10/19/06 ()
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p://www.jus-gi-we-di-light.info/
The Bumbuna Promise to Sierra Leoneans

“All Dem Promises na been Mess”*

The promise of reliable and affordable electricity for the capital city, provincial towns and villages of our nation has been one of the longest unfulfilled promises we (Sierra Leoneans) have made to ourselves. There is very little to show for 41 years (1964-2005) of parallel efforts to produce electricity using a hydro-based solution (Bumbuna-Yeben Project) and a Heavy-Oil Generator solution (involving SLEC, NPA, NP and SLPRC).

“23hrs Pan Blackout After One hr Light. Knockout!”

Reliable and sustainable energy is a criterion for economic progress. Yet, the latest household survey revealed that less than 1% of the population uses electricity as a source of household energy. Is the promise of reliable and affordable electricity still achievable? Yes. However, it will depend upon how much premium Sierra Leoneans at home and abroad put on asking for the light and making it an issue in the upcoming elections. Initiatives such as http://www.jus-gi-we-di-light.info are a good start.

“Sulzer 4 nor Well”

NPA, charged with the production and distribution of electricity, has not been well since its inception. Management and technical capacity are lacking, and the institution has been operating at around 35% loss. NPA has poorly managed up to 6 generators with a total installed capacity of 36MW. One of our first tasks is turning the management of NPA around so that it becomes a performance-driven outfit that will break even in its operations.

Measures are currently underway to improve the functioning and performance of NPA under a World Bank sponsored project, but progress is slow. NPA is to focus on the Heavy-Oil solution and a complementary power authority (BHPA) focus on the hydro-solution since there is little incentive for one authority to develop two sources of energy.

“Bumbuna – 2007 or Pass di rapture”

The Bumbuna Dam project has been revitalized in the last few years, although at a much smaller scale than the Bumbuna-Yeben Dam project (300MW) envisaged in the late 60s. In 2007, we hope for 18MW year-round power from an initial 25MW generator that will be installed at the foot of the dam. By 2007, the greatest achievement would be a functional infrastructure – the dam and the transmission lines to the capital city and two provincial towns. Not necessarily an abundance of renewable energy, but we can build upon this infrastructure by doing more.

The Bumbuna Completion project comprises of three distinct components. The first is the creation of a Special Purpose Company in which the Contractor holds 75% and the Government 25%. This company is responsible for the physical completion of the dam and will manage it for up to 15 years. The company will sell its energy exclusively to NPA, and NPA will be under contract to purchase an agreed-upon yearly amount. The second is the restructuring of NPA to enable it to distribute power and collect payment effectively. The third is the establishment of environmentally sound practices in completing and operating the dam, starting with several resettlement programs for people whose land and property are affected by the flooding of the dam and the clearing of a path for the transmission lines.

The World Bank focuses primarily on the third component and also lends credibility to the project (see www.bumbuna.com). The funding for this latest effort is expected to come from the Italian Contractor and the Italian Government, the African Development Bank, World Bank, some Islamic banks and the Government of Sierra Leone. Completing the Hydro Dam is only a fraction of what we have to do to make the promise of Bumbuna a reality.

“Wit All Den Title en Port-Mantle”

Finally, we can only guarantee that the electricity situation improves over time by developing the human resources and support system to plan, implement and manage all aspects of the energy sector. Sierra Leone will need its engineers, accountants, investors, business managers, technologists, and technicians to engage the sector. The advances in information technology means that even those professionals currently living and working abroad can contribute. Professionals with relevant knowledge and skills must organize themselves into a body that can provide sustained support to energy projects being implemented and planned in the next 5 years.

The times are favorable for a major gain in achieving the promise of reliable and affordable electricity in Sierra Leone. We now have an energy policy draft to guide the sector and a government memorandum of understanding on private-partnership initiative within the sector. For more information on how to get involved go to http://SierraLeoneportal.net/energy.

* All quotations attributed to Emmerson, Sierra Leone’s popular musician and social critic.

Project Coordinator
Sierra Leone Energy Portal
aqlabor@sierraleoneportal.netSource

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Subject: Professor Kaikai a deceptive and treacherous Minister
From: FGM indeed is widespread in Sierra Leone
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Date Posted: 05:21:35 10/19/06 ()
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Everyone knows that over ninety five percent of the womenfolk inSierra Leone are exposed to FGM.
However Septimus Kaikai, a celebrated liar is denying it.

Last Updated: Thursday, 19 October 2006, 09:57 GMT 10:57 UK

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S Leone anger at FGM asylum in UK

Female circumcision remains widespread in parts of the world
Sierra Leone's information minister has condemned the British House of Lords ruling to grant a teenager asylum because she feared female circumcision.
Septimus Kaikai told the BBC that Zainab Fornah, 18, had denigrated Sierra Leone by her claims, because she wanted to live in the UK.

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is extremely common in Sierra Leone.

Mr Kaikai said that women could choose whether or not to undergo the traditional procedure.

"We believe in the freedom of people to choose where they want to live," Mr Kaikai told the BBC's World Today programme.

"What we are opposed to is the deliberate and conscious and premeditated attempt by individuals to malign and besmear the reputation, integrity and character of a government and its people."

'Blindingly obvious'

Ms Fornah's initial asylum applications were rejected by an Immigration Appeal Tribunal and the Court of Appeal but this was overturned by five Law Lords.

Even the lower classes of Sierra Leonean society regard uninitiated indigenous women as an abomination fit only for the worst sort of sexual exploitation

Lord Bingham of Cornhill
The Refugee Convention says successful asylum seekers must come from a social group fearing persecution.

The Law Lords ruled female members of communities where FGM was almost universal were such a group.

Baroness Hale of Richmond added it was a mystery why the case had reached the House of Lords as it was so "blindingly obvious" that asylum laws applied.

Female circumcision is legal and often performed before puberty in Sierra Leone.

Up to 90% of women have faced the procedure in the west African country, which sees part or all of the clitoris surgically removed, often resulting in reduced or no sexual feeling.

The operation is carried out, sometimes forcibly, on as many as 6,000 girls a day worldwide and health organisations report subsequent health problems.

'Horrendous treatment'

Women carry out the surgery as part of an initiation rite to adulthood.

Lord Bingham said: "The operation, often very crudely performed, causes excruciating pain.

"Even the lower classes of Sierra Leonean society regard uninitiated indigenous women as an abomination fit only for the worst sort of sexual exploitation."

The UN Refugee Agency's UK representative, Bemma Donkoh, told BBC News the agency had "consistently advocated that the refugee definition, if properly interpreted, can encompass women who have been persecuted for gender-related reasons".

"Significantly, all the parties involved in this case accepted the fact that female genital mutilation constitutes a particularly horrendous form of treatment and a violation of human rights that amounts to persecution," she added.

The Law Lords' judgment would provide "invaluable guidance on the interpretation of the refugee definition as set out in the 1951 Refugee Convention", Ms Donkoh said.

Subject: Re: Professor Kaikai a deceptive and treacherous Minister
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 08:43:27 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
Entered From: px2nr.wp.shawcable.net at 24.66.94.141

Message:
Friend,we from native homes{upline} needs to becareful about this issues.We only need campaigns through various medias.95%of even women who did it willingly came here with the same reason of running away from Africa and who knows may be the individual in question has already been a member before going to Uk.Sometimes our native mothers who are members are embarrassed.{Politics nor mix pan dis}
Thanks.

Subject: Re: Professor Kaikai a deceptive and treacherous Minister
From: Be sensitive
To: All
Date Posted: 08:56:00 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pat1.baruch.cuny.edu at 150.210.226.1

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I dont know what you mean Prof Kain a deceptive and treacherouse minister...the did not say anything that is not true or treacherouse. On the other hand Zainab(the asylee) and the house of lords are treachrouse or deceptive...Tell me at 15years where did Zainanb get the money from to come to London and why Londone? She would have been save in Guinee or Liberia. It is true bundo society or rite is wide spread in Sierra Leone. But it is not a national policy it is a cultural one. The Kriols or Freetown residence precluded themselves from this excercise and no one has forced them to participate in it.
If the women in Sierra Leone see it fit to get away from this practice then we should give them support. on the other hand if we think it is dangerouse to their health we should treat the issue with all the sensitivity it deserves...not by calling names.

Subject: Re: Professor Kaikai a deceptive and treacherous Minister
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 09:30:31 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
Entered From: px2nr.wp.shawcable.net at 24.66.94.141

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I wonder if the white people would have allowed us to come to there countries if {BEEN A GAY LIFE WAS MORE AN AFRICAN ISSUE}But because its ther own intrest its growing widespread.I have no support for the{ FGM} and i hope girls will resist from now as there are many who have denied it and have no chance of living the country but nobody ran after them

Subject: Re: Professor Kaikai a deceptive and treacherous Minister
From: sensitive
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Date Posted: 10:49:30 10/19/06 ()
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I think u right BRA, but waitin funny na den we brotha dem we feel say anything white man say na true and na de best.
Bo, da pekin (zainab)just want stay en e anty or uncle feel say na de best way.
Ago want for know if e de talk to e fambu them na salone en waiting den kin say.
Bo, Kade maculey den blast for bundu en den still de salone...salone pan all we kalokalo...supresion based on association or rejection not sanction...people den de do buku thing de way den want.

Subject: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 04:52:37 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

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[The following recent exchange is presented here, courtesy of SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, in a continuing effort to empower fellow S/Leoneans by sharing with them, in this instance, different perspectives on the thorny issue of land tenure in SL. For reason of privacy, the name of my correspondent has been duly redacted].

--- In SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, MohmJ@...> wrote on Oct 19, 2006:
>
[Name Redacted]:

Thank you for your reply. As I explicitly noted in my response to Dr. Blake yesterday, the purpose of my reasoned advice to you to resist the temptation to argue that land tenure reform is justified by the revenue local authorities would reap from individual land owners, is to help you avoid clouding an otherwise clear case for reform based on equity. As I also explained yesterday, by that I mean the principle that "all citizens of SL should be accorded an equal opportunity to own land under the laws of SL, irrespective of their tribe or place of birth."

Regrettably, your reply makes it plain that I have still more work to do. So, in the usual interest of accuracy, kindly permit me to offer the following specific helpful advice in the hope that you would finally see that deliberation in argument is a poor substitute for adherence to the facts.

In a message dated 10/18/2006 10:57:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bconton@comcast.net writes:
The debate on Land Tenure has been held by many before me without this level of decorum and exchange of views on perspectives. The strategy of debating the economic disadvantages rather than the more obvious inequities in our system is quite deliberate.

1. Your implied argument that the "level of decorum and exchange of views on perspectives" in the land tenure debate in this forum is due to your "deliberate" choice to base your argument on revenue grounds, instead of "obvious inequities in our system " is, regrettably, contradicted by the facts.

In order to see this, it is sufficient to recognize that "decorum and exchange of views on perspectives" are virtually hallmarks of each and every debate that has been held in this forum. Indeed, that fact is a recurring source of satisfaction for the forum's numerous duly appreciative members, including, most recently, yourself, as noted above. The obvious reason for this conducive environment here is that, unlike some other S/Leonean Internet discussion groups, this forum is intentionally comprised of mature adults with varying degrees of knowledge on a wide range of subjects. Clearly, therefore, the civility and informed nature of the current debate on land tenure is not a reflection of your particular line of argument, as you implied in regrettable error, but of the generally decorous and enlightened membership of this forum.

Whereas that obvious fact surprisingly escaped your notice, it is still a credit not only to the moderators of this forum, but also to each and every member of the forum -- thus making your oblique plea for your individual accolade of gratitude, even if deserved, plainly ill-advisable on grounds of equity.

2. You also wrote: "Secondly it puts the issue at the center of our underdevelopment where it rightly belongs."

It may yet turn out to be the case, as you claim without substantiation, that SL's land tenure system is "at the center of our underdevelopment." However, your omission of any relevant evidence in support of your opinion makes it impossible to lend credence to it -- as it does your similarly impaired claim that the issue of land tenure "rightly belongs" "at the center of our underdevelopment." Accordingly, I hereby respectfully invite you to correct your unfortunate twin omissions by duly setting forth any evidence you have generated from your alleged choice to "research systems that work, and adapt from them, models that might be applicable to our country."

3. In a message dated 10/18/2006 10:57:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [Name Redacted]:@comcast.net writes:
"Thirdly and most importantly,it is impossible with a name like mine, to hold the land tenure debate on the base (sic) of inequities of the system without evoking deep visceral reactions of Creole people wanting to alienate the land from the authentic owners?"

Again, your above-quoted claim may have been borne out in another discussion forum or fora -- even though your familiar omission of evidence makes confirmation of that problematic. However, it certainly has not been borne out in this forum. Accordingly, it is a plausible supposition, especially given your unfortunate failure to adduce any evidence to support your opinion, that, regrettably, it is steeped in tribalism. In the hope of dispelling that disturbing notion, it would be helpful if you would duly correct your omission by kindly answering the following questions:

(a) What evidence do you have that "it is impossible with a name like [yours], to hold the land tenure debate on the base (sic) of inequities of the system without evoking deep visceral reactions of Creole people wanting to alienate the land from the authentic owners?"

(b) What exactly is it about "a name like [yours]" which makes it "impossible ... to hold the land tenure debate on the base (sic) of inequities of the system without evoking deep visceral reactions of Creole people wanting to alienate the land from the authentic owners?"

As we await your hopefully prompt answers to the above questions, please permit me to end by addressing your following unfortunate comment:

"I am sorry that you as an economist cannot see the economic/developmental disadvantages of the current Land tenure system. Hopefully it is only because I have propounded it."

The glaring twin errors in your above-quoted statement, sadly, are both ones of commission. First, to state that equity is a sufficient basis for grounding the case for land tenure reform (as I actually wrote here yesterday) is not equivalent to me denying that there are "economic/developmental disadvantages of the current Land tenure system," as you imply in palpable error. On the contrary, it only means that the case for reforming the land tenure system can adequately rest on a consideration of equity, with no need to add thereto that of revenue generation or any other ground -- be it " economic/developmental" or otherwise.

Second, accordingly, arguing otherwise -- whether by you or anyone else -- needlessly clouds an otherwise clear case to institute reforms. Thereby, it would have the hopefully unintended effect of retarding long overdue progress towards reforming the current inequitable system. Clearly, your being the proponent of such an insidious argument is transparently irrelevant to my reasoned opposition to it on the ground that, regrettably, it is demonstrably spurious.

Hopefully, you are now sufficiently informed as to the basis of my clearly stated position yesterday.

Best regards,

Moh'm

--- In SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, [Name Redacted]@...> wrote on Oct 18, 2006:
>
> Dear Mohm,

> Bill Clinton when speaking of the state of the economy when he left office said "Don't look at turtle on a fence post and think it got there by chance". The debate on Land Tenure has been held by many before me without this level of decorum and exchange of views on perspectives. The strategy of debating the economic disadvantages rather than the more obvious inequities in our system is quite deliberate. It is a strategy honed over five years of town hall meetings, formal and informal debates and interviews on the matter both in and out of SL. Firstly Land tenure never gets debated in this light.

> Secondly it puts the issue at the center of our underdevelopment where it rightly belongs. Thirdly and most importantly, it is impossible with a name like mine, to hold the land tenure debate on the base of inequities of the system without evoking deep visceral reactions of Creole people wanting to alienate the land from the authentic owners. Astute moderators if insufficiently self absorbed are usually grateful and certainly less dismissive when such deliberate choices are made to advance a debate. Rather than pontificate on impracticable academic theories, I have chosen to research systems that work, and adapt from them, models that might be applicable to our country. Not because they are American but because they work. I have chosen to engage an adult audience with information, calculations, evidence and models rather than dismiss contrary views with patronizing arrogance. Instead of bludgeoning an audience with my personal outlook on the injustice of the system, I have highlighted the reasons why the system might not be working in as respectful and objective a manner as possible. I am sorry that you as an economist cannot see the economic/developmental disadvantages of the current Land tenure system. Hopefully it is only because I have propounded it. I honestly expected it to be easier for you.

> On this topic, with my experience of debating and researching it, please accept that in the interest of decorum I should not hold the inequity line. Maybe being called Jalloh you can. These are the realities of our nationhood. But until you have walked the miles that I have, in the shoes that I wear, to demonstrate the understanding that I have achieved please allow me to hold the lines that I see fit to advance a debate that is by your own admission is an "important" one.

> Respectfully yours,
> [Name Redacted]

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Alie Formeh Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 08:44:45 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
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I agree with you that there is a basis for reforming the Land Tenure System on grounds of equity under law. But consider that if all residents of Sierra Leone have there ancestral background in Sierra Leone (homogeneity) and there was no discrimination in native law against women owning land, then everybody owned land and the issue of the right to own land (equity) is moot.

But even in a situation of homogeneity, without discrimination against women, there would still be a need today for reforming the Land Tenure System. The pressure for reform would be centered on the issue of economics. For example, we might ask ourselves if the current Land Tenure System is conducive to economic development or whether the present land owners are maximizing land usage.

Managers know that by shifting resources to areas where they can be most productive, overall production will be expected to rise. A similar argument can be made for land ownership and land use. A better Land Tenure System my result in ownership by individuals with the capacity to develop land for the betterment of the nation.

Whereas the argument on legal grounds for equity is sound particularly because of the Creoles, women, and Sierra Leoneans who migrated from elsewhere, it is not the only argument for change. In my view the most compelling argument for change of the Land Tenure System is that it is archaic in an economically dynamic world and it hinders the nation’s competitiveness.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 05:33:28 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
Alie Formeh Kamara wrote on October 19, 2006:
"Whereas the argument on legal grounds for equity is sound particularly because of the Creoles, women, and Sierra Leoneans who migrated from elsewhere, it is not the only argument for change. In my view the most compelling argument for change of the Land Tenure System is that it is archaic in an economically dynamic world and it hinders the nation’s competitiveness."

Alie Formeh Kamara:

Thank you for your reply. I agree that equity is but one out of potentially many arguments for changing the land tenure system in SL. Significantly, the reason I cautioned my correspondent to eschew extending the basis for reform to include economic arguments is that it is not necessary to do so in order to succeed in making an argument for reform.

Moreover, there is a compelling practical reason for staying away from an unnecessary argument about the economic benefits of land reform. That reason is that the argument for reform based on economic grounds, in my humble opinion, rests on much more shaky grounds than that based on equity. For instance, my correspondent argued that revenue from individual land ownership resulting from changing the current land tenure system justifies the change. However, as Dr. Blake correctly pointed out, there are other, no less significant, sources of revenue available to local jurisdictions, thus making it unnecessary to change the land tenure system merely to obtain individual taxes from individual land ownership.

I hope you can now see how such an economic argument for changing SL's land tenure to allow individual land ownership can lead to precisely the opposite result.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Allie Rainbow
To: All
Date Posted: 12:08:13 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 205.134.0.39

Message:
I am on the same page with other progressives like Mohm and Yourself who adduce many reasons for land Tenure reform.

However understanding and accepting that Sierra Leone's Land tenure debacle came about as a consequence of regimen imposed by Colonial rule inorder to systematically enable the exploitation of our rescources, is the critical first step to any reform.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Mohamed A. jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 05:42:35 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.116.198

Message:
Allie Rainbow wrote on October 19, 2006:
"However understanding and accepting that Sierra Leone's Land tenure debacle came about as a consequence of regimen imposed by Colonial rule inorder to systematically enable the exploitation of our rescources, is the critical first step to any reform."

Allie Rainbow:

Thank you for your compliment. It is especially appreciated coming from a cogent thinker such as you have shown yourself to be here.

Yours is a very sound proposition. It would be even more helpful if we could detail the precise means by which such exploitation was advanced by the colonial overlords via the land tenure system. Such an exposition would be a valuable addition to the current body of knowledge about the impact of colonialism in producing massive poverty in SL, in particular, and other former colonies in Africa, in general.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 10:09:34 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-141-156-185-235.esr.east.verizon.net at 141.156.185.235

Message:
It appears to me that when all else fails, Sierra Leoneans, at least some, have a tendency to retort
to name calling and playing the blame game. Indeed the land tenure system in Sierra Leone is archaic; but to say it deter economic advancement is a colossal misrepresentation of an objective reality. Having said that, I have a simple question for all you pundits out there: does the land tenure system exist in the eastern province of Kono? If so, how many Lebanese, Syrians, Malians, South Africans, Mandingoes, Fullahs, Themnes, Creoles, were ever denied land to mine diamonds? Moreover, How much taxable monies the central and local governments collects or loose from mining?

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 05:45:20 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
KING LOGGY wrote on October 19, 2006:
"Indeed the land tenure system in Sierra Leone is archaic; but to say it deter economic advancement is a colossal misrepresentation of an objective reality."

LOGGY:

Truer words I have not seen written! That is the point I made to our friend, Alie Formeh Kamara, in my reply to him earlier this morning, as a reason why it is inadvisable to rely on the economic argument as a basis for advocating the repeal of the current land tenure laws in SL.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 09:22:54 10/20/06 ()
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Moh'm:
There are justifiable and or equitable reasons to suggest or implement the economic argument in relationship to the subject at hand.
However, money, or in this case the economy, does not solve all problems, but attitudes will go a long way.

Subject: Re: HOW TO REFORM THE LAND TENURE SYSTEM IN SL [CONT'D]
From: Sensitive
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Date Posted: 10:54:12 10/19/06 ()
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HeYYYYYYYYY...bra...u hit de foot..A nor go able waka..me, me papa, me uncle en me whole family na temne but na KONO aborn en agrow up na Tongo...den no ever alllow we 4 even dig because de land na to we getam.
Den we been de pay buku tax...u nor de see how big kono local government budget dey..

Subject: CHARLES MARGAI FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE
From: Albert Moinina
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Date Posted: 02:51:29 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: albert_j27@yahoo.com
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Prosecution Rebuffed as CDF Defence Ends
- Thursday 19 October 2006.
Commentary

By Alfred Munda SamForay

Charles Francis Margai, the Lead Defence Counsel for Alieu Kondewa, in the matter of Prosecutor versus Sam Hinga Norman, Moinina Fofana and Alieu Kondewa, on Wednesday October 18 closed the CDF trial in chief. The last witness for the Defence gave their testimony for the former High Priest of the Kamajors who along with the CDF co-defendants is charged with eight counts of violations Article 3 Common to the Geneva Conventions (War Crimes) crimes against humanity and other serious violations of international humanitarian laws. Charges include murder, mayhem, looting and recruitment of child soldiers allegedly committed by members of the Kamajor wing of the Civil Defence Forces.

Meanwhile, the special court for Sierra Leone, by unanimous vote, rejected a motion by the Prosecutor to call additional rebuttal witnesses. The court ruled that it has heard enough evidence in the matter and additional prosecution witnesses can add nothing more to the proceedings. The prosecution motion was thrown without the need for any arguments.

It appears to this observer that the Prosecutor was deliberately trying to prolong the case, muddy up the waters while at the same time trying to change the proverbial goal post when the game is almost over. The tactic evidently failed.

In another ruling by the three judge panel of the Trial Chamber, the court ordered Counsels for Defence and Prosecution to present written closing arguments in the case by 22 November, 2006 followed by oral arguments on 28 November. On 29 November, the Chamber will deliberate on the written and oral submissions and decide when the final verdict in the case will be released. We anticipate the final verdict in the matter in January of February 2007, nearly four years after Chief Norman was arrested.

The CDF Defence team for Second Accused, Moinina Fofana, called their last witnesses last week including Professor Daniel Hoffman, an American anthropologist and expert on civil militias who testified that the CDF was indeed not a military force as alleged by the prosecution but a group of civilian volunteers fighting in defence of their villages.

Final evidence for the Fofana defence was the SamForay Document addressing the role of Mr. Fofana in the CDF hierarchy. The prosecution had argued that statements in the 2001 CDF calendar produced by the former CDF support group, SLAM, of which this writer was Secretary General, indicated that Fofana had overall responsibility for war and peace in Sierra Leone. Quite to the contrary, Fofana as Director of War was simply an assistant to Mr. Norman who carried out combat duties as prescribed by the CDF High Command and President Kabbah as commander-in-Chief and Defence Minister of Sierra Leone. In any case, the SamForay Document asserted that the CDF calendar was simply a publicity and fund raising tool not a historical account of the war and was produced entirely in the United States without input from Mr. Foafana who is illiterate and had no knowledge of the contents of the calendar.

"The Chamber finds that the factual assertions contained in the SamFoary Document are relevant susceptible of collaboration in due course and will not prejudice any party by its admission.". The ruling was unanimous to admit the document under Rule 92bis of the Rules of Evidence.

In a separate but related matter, the court is still considering the matter of Mr. Norman¡¦s health. Since this issue involves foreign government officials, the decision when made may not be released to the public due to international security considerations and Mr. Norman¡¦s privacy and well being. Supporters and well wishers are, however, reminded that Mr. Norman¡¦s health situation while serious is not of a life threatening nature. We are also pleased to inform that Mr.Fofana is now fully recovered from a recent bout with chickenpox and released from quarantine. All three CDF chiefs presently in detention are fairing well and thanking all friends and well wishers for moral and material support for themselves and the families..

Subject: Re: CHARLES MARGAI FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE
From: Moijue
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Date Posted: 10:53:37 10/19/06 ()
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Action not empty words matter.Stand up and be counted

Subject: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: KABS KANU
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Date Posted: 02:37:08 10/19/06 ()
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To all those whose articles failed to appear. HOMESTEAD can be killingly , painfully and irritatingly disappointing. The webhosting site malfunctioned yesterday and could not save anything. Shame on them.

Because of this, I could not publish Elvis Gbanabome's and Samforay's articles. I wanted to sleep at 2 am but ended up going to bed at 5 am to wake up at 6 am to go to work because I took 2 hours to work on and format Elvis' article. Then the website refused to upload it.

When you read COCORIOKO, note that these are the sufferings involved in producing this online newspaper daily. I might have to cut down to only 3 days a week because going daily is killing me . I am suffering too much, largely because of the God-damed hosting companies. All their programs cause suffering one way or the other for somebody providing the volume and frequency of news as COCORIOKO.I have tried 3 companies and all are the same for problems.

HOMESTEAD is regarded as one-of the-top-of-the line companies as proved by statistics in a research report I have but it is killing to use their programs at times. If thery can cause such problems, know that others are worse.

WE WILL GO TO 3 DAYS A WEEK PUBLICATION SOON SO I CAN HAVE MY LIFE AGAIN.
.

I

Subject: Re: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: HATDAMN
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Date Posted: 09:20:46 10/19/06 ()
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God-damed

watch you mouth reverend.
Thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy Gon in vain for that lord shall not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Subject: Re: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: Christian
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Date Posted: 10:24:10 10/19/06 ()
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The term is used in the Bible which also uses Bastards probably that why the Rev,used it. "Then are ye bastards"

Subject: Re: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 06:21:35 10/19/06 ()
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TO THE GOOD REV... we are all very grateful for this hard work, but did I hear 3 days a week for the great Cocorioko? That will be unthinkable... that could be the end of civilization as we know it.(sic)!!

on a more serious note, I have always advocated that some sort of arrangement could be made for visitors to the site to make a small financial contribution/donation for the use of this publication...what do you think? would that ease the pain?

Subject: Re: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: KABS KANU
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Date Posted: 07:55:36 10/19/06 ()
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I only said so out of frustration with blinking HOMESTEAD. I will strive to continue providing daily editions.I cannot afford to disappoint my readers now. Possibly, I will drop Homestead if they continue their disappointment.

Subject: Re: DISAPPOINTING, DISAPPOINTING HOMESTEAD
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 09:30:04 10/19/06 ()
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Fair enough REV, but how about my suggestion of financial contribution?

Subject: HOMESTEAD VERY USELESS
From: KABS KANU
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Date Posted: 01:52:28 10/19/06 ()
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Apart from all the problems being faced by me working with this very difficult webhosting system, the stupid site locked out on me last night and I was unable to continue updating.

I am sorry to all our readers. I will leave Homestead once the economic situation of the paper improves. The only thging I love about their service is I am able to do creative layouting , unlike the last webhosting company.

HOMESTEAD may me very mad last night. If IT HAD NOT BEEN SAID BY THEM THAT i WOULD LOSE MY SAVED DATA SWITCHING, I WOULD HAVE LEFT THEM IMMEDIATELY.i HATE USELESS THINGS.

Subject: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 22:44:59 10/18/06 ()
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Based on the facts, as I know them, and her global reputation, I would like to suggest, and recommend Mrs. Zainab Bangura as the running mate of Bra Solo B for the presidency of Sa Lon in 2007.

This recommendation is contigent on the reputable lady dropping her ties with her established political party that performed so miserably in 2002. She MUST become a card-carrying member of the SLPP as soon as possible, and disavow her ties with any NGO's she might be affiliated with at the present time.

The advantages of this recommendation relative to the SLPP winning the 2007 elections with a landslide are many.

Zainab B. is a daughter of the North. As a very principled lady who has been invited to the White House to visit with President Bush and other important dignitaries in the politics of the USA, she can only be an asset. I bet you, she has also met the Queen of England once or twice.

She was very instrumental in the fight for peace during our internecine war. She has been a vociferous leader in the civil society movement of Sa Lon. She is a staunch member of the Bondo Society.

Now, we all know that our people (males) in the North of Sa Lon do not take too kindly to women wielding a great deal of power over them, (please correct me if I am wrong), but we in the SLPP are open-minded, and we embrace the power of womanhood, so we are not 'phazed' by that aspect. If our women in the East, South, and Western Area can be accorded this priviledge, to rule effectively, I see no reason why we should relent in this endeavour.

Population-wise, there are more women in Sa Lon than men (ca. 55% to 45%). I submit to the SLPP then that we would monopolize the women-vote, if this proposal is favourably considered.

The politics of choosing a male running-mate from this geographic region is divisive. To obviate this negativity, Zainab B. would serve our purpose better, and more effectively than her male counterparts who might be under consideration at this time, if at all.

So Bra Solo, I implore you to explore this possibility, and if Zainab is willing, let us go with her after she declares her loyalty to the SLPP.

Her inclusion on the SLPP ticket during the 2007 presidential elections would compliment what happened in Liberia, our sisterly neighbour in the Southeast, quite nicely, and for African womanhood as a whole.

We MUST empower our women politically and otherwise. Afterall, they already carry most of the burdens in our daily lives, so we must empower them. No more senseless wars, and unneccessary hardships in our day-to-day living. [Wishful thinking, I suppose.]

This strategy will yield us no run-offs come June 2007. I will bet my bottom dollar on my recommendation.

Thank you for kindly considering my proposal in the affirmative.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Lattie Hyde
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Date Posted: 20:38:15 10/19/06 ()
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Sengbe,Do You really know Zainab's True Character?

I don't think that someone implicated in petty theft of undies at FBC is Vice Presidential Material.

Additionally an educated woman who hustles a man twenty years her senior from his former family is nothing but a gold digger;

Regardless of her so called international acclamations,I think that Zainab Bangurah as Vice President is WRONG for Sa Lone!

Sa Lone done already damage leh we nor allow leh ee nasty again!

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Lord
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Date Posted: 05:24:53 10/20/06 ()
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Jesus Christ, Sierra Leoneans can be nasty. Our country is doomed. You should pray to God to forgive you for writing such things about that woman.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Lattie Hyde
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Date Posted: 13:57:18 10/20/06 ()
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Sinner!Just because From the begining of Time God has sanctioned Good Over Evil,I stand by my assertion!

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 02:39:34 10/20/06 ()
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No! Lattie Hyde I really do not "know Zainab's True Character". I only know what I read in the media about this formidable woman. I have never met her in person.

Were you there when she stole "undies at FBC"? If so, what role did you play in her prosecution, and incarceration for this "petty theft"? Is this a case of character assasination, or jealousy?

I don't believe in gossip. So if you can provide the evidence of her guilt, I am willing to erase her proposed name from our slate. In the absence of such prima facie evidence, I stand by my proposal.

Lattie, why do you think that she is internationally acclaimed? Is it as a consequence of this "petty theft of undies at FBC"? When did this theft occur? Yesterday? Twenty years ago? Or may be forty years ago?

Would you like to be considered as a running-mate for Bra Solo B? What are your credentials?

I am not trying to be frivolous, but if you can answer these simple questions then I would take you seriously. Otherwise, I will just have to take your allegations with a pinch of salt.

Thank you kindly for your contribution to this thread.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Lattie Hyde
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Date Posted: 16:45:57 10/20/06 ()
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No Sengbe I was not there! If I was I would sure be considered an accomplice or suspect by other residents of Lattie Hyde Hall.

However the unvarnished truth about the activities of Certain individuals at FBC was dramatic enough without embellishments or outright lies!

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 19:30:32 10/20/06 ()
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I don't believe what you said about Zainab.

Enti norto u drosse ee tiff. U nor geh any case against da sista dae.

So-so lie lie.

Eh Salone peeple! How oonu tan so ba?

Me ar dae America forse.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Solomon Caulker
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Date Posted: 03:06:11 10/20/06 ()
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"Were you there when she stole "undies at FBC"? If so, what role did you play in her prosecution, and incarceration for this "petty theft"? Is this a case of character assasination, or jealousy?" -- Sengbe

What makes you think that if Lati Hyde was "there when she stole "undies at FBC", therefore she must play a "role ... in her prosecution, and incarceration for this "petty theft"?

My friend, if you want to have someone take you seriously -- by answering your questions -- you must ask sensible questions. In order to ask sensible questions, you must first learn to distinguish sense from nonsense.

If, and when, you can learn that simple skill, you can then come here to ask Lati Hyde "if you can answer these simple questions then I would take you seriously."

Otherwise, why should Lati Hyde take you seriously, when you don't take yourself seriously?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: ROTFLMMFAO
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Date Posted: 11:23:07 10/20/06 ()
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"My friend, if you want to have someone take you seriously -- by answering your questions -- you must ask sensible questions. In order to ask sensible questions, you must first learn to distinguish sense from nonsense."

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 03:15:32 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
Bo go lap nar Loko.

Nobody nor geh you tem.

Why don't you initiate a thread if you are that sensible?

Borgeddor.

Just count the number of responses generated by the threads I initiate, you'd then understand that folks take me very seriously as opposed to your kind, mordibor.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: SPEAKING OF TRIBALISM
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Date Posted: 11:24:26 10/20/06 ()
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"mordibor."

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Kappu Sense Nor Kappu (Borku) Word
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Date Posted: 03:23:33 10/20/06 ()
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"Just count the number of responses generated by the threads I initiate, you'd then understand that folks take me very seriously as opposed to your kind, mordibor." -- Sebge

Nar so you "tuppit?" Have you never heard of the wise saying: "Empty buckets ..... ?"

Of course not. Otherwise, you would not be so "tuppit!" Hahahah heehheeee

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: konk konk konk
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Date Posted: 14:18:39 10/19/06 ()
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She is a staunch member of the Bondo Society.

how do you know that?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: konkima whey
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Date Posted: 14:23:37 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
easy answer stupid it is because his mother went to bondo, his siters went to bondo, and he has seen it all. ask am ba if e don see im mama en im sister dem tin wae dem cut

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: A;PHA SAIDU BANGURA
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Date Posted: 12:02:58 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: SAIDUBANGSO@AOL.COM
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Sengbe,Mrs.Zainab Hawa Bangura is my beloved aunty,I was in their house during the Jan.6th 1999 attack in Freetown.I know and respect her very well,but at this point I will advice that she finishes her term in Liberia,I will also encourage her to come join our SLPP,because it is the only party that has the capacity to continue to take our country forward.We will consider her for a very sensitive leadership position in 2012.I 100% agree that we must encourage and empower women to hold high offices in Sierra Leone,but we must screen them properly to ascertain their suitablity.
I will even recommend that we request all aspirants for public office to do a drug test,because we need sober minded and right thinking people in public offices.
We must totally wipe off your minds that region,tribe and religion should be qualifications to hold any office in our country.At this difficult time in our country's history we only need leaders with a proven and clean record in public service regardless of where they come from or what religion they belong to.
I know my beloved aunty Zainab has a proven record and is capable to hold any office in Sierra Leone,but let her complete her services as an international civil servant,I will surely bring her into the leadership of the SLPP later on.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 12:23:53 10/19/06 ()
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Bra Alpha Saidu, I want us (SLPP) to win these coming elections during the first round with a landslide so that the 'haters' and complainers will undoubtedly accept the results. I do not want to take any chances regarding this aspect. This is why I am strategizing along these lines.

Strategically, we may not need her in 2012.

It is quite possible that my aspirations will lead me to be in the running during those elections. Hope that I can count on your support.

Indeed, we need sober-minded people to run our political affairs in Sa lon. Not jamba-smoking mongrels pretending to be lawyers, and vulgar alcoholics, as recently depicted on this forum.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: konk konk konk
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Date Posted: 14:21:42 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
how much money you got in the bank?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Ahmed
To: All
Date Posted: 09:42:34 10/19/06 ()
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Sengbe said,"Zainab B. is a daughter of the North. As a very principled lady who has been invited to the White House to visit with President Bush and other important dignitaries in the politics of the USA, she can only be an asset. I bet you, she has also met the Queen of England once or twice."

Sengbe,does having an audience with Bush or the Queen a qualification for the vice-presidential ticket of your party.

Do you know that Zainab B is a staunch supporter of the APC.Does ideology matters when it comes to running mate.Are you insinuating that all the political parties in Salone have the same ideology-the "grab,grab ideology".

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: ALPHA SAIDU BANGURA
To: All
Date Posted: 21:45:17 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: SAIDUBANGSO@AOL.COM
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Ahmed,with respect,are you sure that Zainab Bangura is a member of the APC?If your answer is yes,can you please,tell me how I can contact you, so that we(you and I)can prove it?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 12:12:31 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Ahmed asks:

"...Sengbe,does having an audience with Bush or the Queen a qualification for the vice-presidential ticket of your party..."

Not neccesarily so. But it cannot hurt, can it?

When was the last time our president and vice-president had a "tete a tete" with these leaders of the Free World? She was given the audience with the US President, and perhaps, the Queen of England, based on her national and global contributions to society. She was afforded these honours solely based on her resourcefulness and her excellent work in the civil society movements she has been affiliated with.

How many women in Africa have been accorded this honour? Let us give her credit for her good deeds.

"...Do you know that Zainab B is a staunch supporter of the APC..."

No! I did not know that. But if that was the case, how come she organized her own political party to run for the presidency in 2002? Her "staunchiness" in the APC must not amount to much, I suppose.

"...Does ideology matters when it comes to running mate..."

I suppose it does. That is why her unflinching loyalty to the SLPP is a prerequisite for her to be accepted as Bra Solo B's running mate in 2007.

"...Are you insinuating that all the political parties in Salone have the same ideology-the "grab,grab ideology"..."

No! Are you?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Ahmed
To: All
Date Posted: 13:21:29 10/19/06 ()
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Sengbe,I do believe that Salone political parties have the same ideology,i.e,the grab-grab ideology wherein their main goal is to enrich themselves at the detriment of the people.
I am inclined to believe that is why you proposed Zainab B as a running mate for your party even though she purportedly has a different political ideology from your party.Are their not prominent female politicians (in your party)in the mold of Zainab B.What about Kadi Sesay,Elizabeth Lavallie,Abator Thomas,just to name a few.

Do you think Zainab B would join your party when her close buddy Ernest Koroma is also in the mix.I don't see that happening.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 14:36:34 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
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"...Are their not prominent female politicians (in your party)in the mold of Zainab B.What about Kadi Sesay,Elizabeth Lavallie,Abator Thomas,just to name a few..."

These prominent women in the SLPP are NOT as globally well-known as Zainab B. Zainab suits my strategic approach more so than any of them.

Lizzie is my cousin, so I'd love to have her as the running mate of Bra Solo. But she hails from Niagorehun Bagbo, Bo District, in the Southern province of Sa Lon. We would like to diversify our politics in the SLPP, and we have. So she is out for the purposes of this discussion, as far as I am concerned. Furthermore, her sister, Baby Vai, is married to Charles Margai, in the "enemy" camp, politically. My choice remains Zainab B.

Kadi Sesay, and Abartor Thomas, are currently members of Pa Kabbah's cabinet. Their collective perfomance as ministers has not been stellar, in my opinion. So I'd pass up on them. In my opinion, Zainab B. suits the bill better.

"...Do you think Zainab B would join your party when her close buddy Ernest Koroma is also in the mix..."

Well, why did she not pitch tents with Ernest B. in 2002? Why did she form her own political party to run against Bra Tejan in 2002? You have still not answered that question. I wonder why?

I am absolutely sure that she'd become a member of the SLPP under the right conditions. Even you, Ahmed.

It is really left up to Bra Solo B. and to Zainab. I am just proposing.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: COUSIN NAR BADE?
To: All
Date Posted: 11:27:08 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
"Lizzie is my cousin"

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Maada
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Date Posted: 23:31:18 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
Sengbe wrote

"These prominent women in the SLPP are NOT as globally well-known as Zainab B. Zainab suits my strategic approach more so than any of them".

Professor Koker,Is Zainab Bangurah Globally well known more than your Aunt Shirley Gbujama who was the first Female Ambassador to United Nations and First female appointed as Foreign Minister in Africa?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 02:59:30 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
But Aunty Shirley is NOT interested in becoming the next VP.

Please try to understand my strategic approach to this ticket: DIVERSITY!

It would be virtually impossible to win these coming elections with a landslide if those heading the ticket are from the same background and region. And beside that fact, Aunty Shirley's name was not mentioned in the article I responded to.

Undoubtedly, Aunty Shirley's prominence amongst African women of stature is in the History books.

She just turned seventy, and has been in public service for nearly fifty years, I'd like for her to have a restful, peaceful, and enjoyable retirement after the Kabbah regime, if that is her inclination.

I love her to death. And I know she is gonna live to the ripe old age of 120 years. It is in her genes.

Have I addressed your concern effectively?

Subject: Re: FOR SENGBE THE MENDE TRIBALIST
From: Your Aunty Shirley is Krio
To: All
Date Posted: 11:33:24 10/20/06 ()
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DID YOU KNOW THAT.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Ahmed
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Date Posted: 17:29:50 10/19/06 ()
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Sengbe said,"Well, why did she not pitch tents with Ernest B. in 2002? Why did she form her own political party to run against Bra Tejan in 2002? You have still not answered that question. I wonder why?"

She formed her own political party to contest the 2002 elections at the urgings of some foreign sources.It is widely rumored in some circles that she catipulated to her foreign handlers because of the promise of funds for her political outfit.She would always be APC and by the way that is not a crime.Does that answer your question.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 17:47:50 10/19/06 ()
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"...She would always be APC and by the way that is not a crime..."

But so was Sama Banya, and Jam Body. You mean to state that we cannot convince her to switch loyalties to the SLPP?

Why are you so sure that it is not a crime to be apc, based on their record?

I guess I would have to look elsewhere for a female running mate for Bra Solo B.

Do you know of other eminent female politicians from the North? I cannot think of one that is in the mold of Zainab B. at the moment.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: news
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Date Posted: 15:16:55 10/19/06 ()
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Sengbe, I see you have back-pedalled after I produce a slamming report of Kadi Ssay. It is nice that you behave well this time. You saw the slamming report about her Ministry.
Do you think, the people of Sierra leone are fools to take any old corrupt rusty intellectuals cum politicians.
The opposition isahead to get a good running mate.
This you will come to terms with later.
Good that you are slowly moving from your deceptive politicking.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 16:16:03 10/19/06 ()
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But why are you talking about Kadi Sesay here, when the rest of us are talking about Zainab Bangura in this context?

Am I missing something here? Or are you just misunderstanding what the thread is all about?

Clear the air for me on this, please.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CRASE DOG
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Date Posted: 09:07:52 10/19/06 ()
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She is a staunch member of the Bondo Society.

pan all de Phd. wae you get you still believe for cut ooman konk, aye bo you education nor serve ypour right oh bigfool professor or rather professor cut konk.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 10:03:27 10/19/06 ()
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CRAZE DOG

Your name certainly does you justice. what a language to use on a world wide forum.You call your self a Sierra Leonean.
People like you are and will forever remain incorrigible.what next? you should hang your head in shame.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Look who you want. She can't implement trade policy
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Date Posted: 04:00:44 10/19/06 ()
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Sierra Leone`s trade policies suffer for implementers

Freetown, Sierra Leone, 10/15 -The ministry of trade in Sierra Leone lacks capability to fulfil international trade framework commitments, says a draft trade report by the European Commission (EC) and Sierra Leone`s development partner, the British Department For International Development (DFID).

The report adds that the problem was compounded by the ministry`s lack of capacity to formulate and implement effective trade policies.

The observations are contained in the draft report produced by the EC and DFID after consultations at the ministry of trade here, made available to PANA on Friday.

According to report, the ministry`s capacity to learn on inter-ministry cooperation, to organise the effective dialogue with the private sector or to effectively represent the interests of Sierra Leone in regional and multilateral institutions and negotiations are limited.

Sierra Leone is expected to move towards Regional Trade integration because the government has decided to fully implement the ECOWAS Common External Tariff regime which began last year with the stated objective of full compliance by 2008.

But none of these have so far been achieved due to the trade ministry`s lack of capacity, the report laments.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 07:02:19 10/19/06 ()
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I suggested Mrs. Zainab Bangura as the running-mate for Bra Solo B.

I did not recommend Dr. Kadi Sesay, our minister of Trade and Industry.

There is a difference between the two of them, you know.

Next time, please look before you leap.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Question
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Date Posted: 01:54:48 10/19/06 ()
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"Based on the facts, as I know them, and her global reputation, I would like to suggest, and recommend Mrs. Zainab Bangura as the running mate of Bra Solo B for the presidency of Sa Lon in 2007."

"prof" Edmund Koker aka sengbe, can you tell us what you believe to be the difference between the two words you used serially above -- "suggest, and recommend"?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CADMUS
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Date Posted: 06:43:01 10/19/06 ()
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I do not believe that this forum is an English GCE O'Level clsssroom.

Most people that contribute here are highly educated, with first and second Degrees and some of us with professional qualification added.By the very nature of Forum writing, we make mistake now and then, but that should never detract from the message we are trying to put accross.It is meant to be serious with fun, that is why I admire the great Sengbe so much, he can be serious and funny.

But then I notice that people who gets nasty are those who cannot really make a meaningful contribution. There small minds can only resort to insults and abuse. Forget the nit-picking.

Lets get real for goodness sake.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CRASE DOG
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Date Posted: 14:25:58 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
CADMUS NORTO YOU DEM ASK. NOR PULL CLOS WEY FET NOR MEET YOU YATE. WAIT FOR BRA BORKU FET DAE NAR DID SITE YA SO EN YOU GO GEH YO YONE, YOU NOR SEE WAY DEM FITYAI ALIEU NAR DIS SITE BY DA SLPP REBEL WAY DEM CALL SAIDU?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Tukuma
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Date Posted: 14:40:39 10/19/06 ()
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How ba crase dog, nar alieu dae fuck you?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CRASE DOG
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Date Posted: 19:15:30 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
YES AFTER E FUCK ME DON NAR YOU MAMA GET FOR HAB NEX

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Question
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Date Posted: 09:07:14 10/19/06 ()
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Of course, this forum is not an English classroom, be it for GCE "O" Levels or the former Common Entrance Exam. So, what?

The point you are missing in your ill-advised rush to defend those with "small minds (who)can only resort to insults and abuse" (an accurate descr1ption of Edmund Koker's shameful record on this forum) is this.

It was Koker, aka Sebgbe, who came here and BOASTED about his "education." when he did that, HE transformed his playing field here into an "English GCE O'Level clsssroom." why then should we not test his claim to being "educated" by asking him to explain how come he can not recognize simple English words which mean the same thing?

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CRASE DOG
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Date Posted: 09:15:51 10/19/06 ()
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CADMUS YOU RISK BEING PLACED IN THE SAME POT WITH ASSHOLE SENGBE EDMOND KOKER. WHEN ALIEU ISCANDARI COMES ATER HIM YOU DONT WANT TO BE SEEN WITH ELSE HE WILL BUNDLE ALL OF YOU TOGETHER AND KICK SOME BUTT. NOTICE HE IS IGNORINGS THES PLACEIS NOW

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 09:45:36 10/19/06 ()
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I believe I was making sensible suggestions in the interest of the Forum and the forum users.

I do not insult or attack individuals...I attack political parties for their policies which I believe is fair game in a democracy,however my friend,I am quite capable of defending/handling myself if it come to that.(I have spent the past 15 years defendeding desperadoes of all soerts in front of some of the most difficult Judges in the English Courts)

We can make this Forum fun,or we can make it serious,but even better why dont we make it seriously funny.
(please do not attack my using the two words'serious' and 'funny' together,I have done so delebrately.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: ok dok
To: All
Date Posted: 08:53:04 10/19/06 ()
Email Address: okdok@yahoo.com
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Message:
I dont agree but i guess its more of the so called second degree holders who feels people who cant write what they fell beetter english.The worst people among Africa society are the so called educated and they have never done anything to inprove Africa in there little way.{please dont take it personal} Our native people did well befor most oy us were born but we that were sent to school are all ass holes.

Subject: Re: Solo B and Zainab B in 2007
From: Useful Vowels
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Date Posted: 05:44:22 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
Funny, I was just thinking that about you -- give or take an intervening "E", "E" and "R"...

Subject: 5th Human Rights Report on Liberia: Corrupt Judicial System
From: FPA Staff Report
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Date Posted: 20:32:40 10/18/06 ()
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5th Human Rights Report on Liberia: Corrupt Judicial System Undermining Rule of Law
10/18/06 - FPA Staff Report

Dorota Gierycz, Chief of Human Rights and Protection Section, UNMIL addresses the media in Monrovia Wednesday.

Monrovia - The Human Rights and Protection Section of the United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL) today launched its fifth quarterly report on the human rights situation in the country with special focus on the challenges facing Liberia’s judicial system and the impact on the promotion and protection of human rights in Liberia.

Launching the report (May-July 2006) during the regular press briefing , Chief of Human Rights and Protection Section, Dorota Gierycz, said the report seeks to draw attention to weaknesses in the judicial system and how they contribute to a state of impunity for crimes committed.

She noted that the report was monitored and compiled by some 25 human rights officers working throughout the country in collaboration with local organizations, representatives of civil societies, and the locals. While paying particular attention to the challenges facing the judicial system, the report provides an overview of the most important human rights trends and development during the quarter.

The report notes that the present judicial system continues to fail to uphold constitutional guarantees and international human rights standards binding on Liberia. “Five Circuit Courts were not operational during the May Term of Court, while others tried only a fraction of the number of cases listed for trial,” she highlighted. She named Gbarpolu, Lofa, River Cess, Grand Kru and River Gee as those counties without any functional judicial system.

Proceedings 'Failed to Address Institutional Weaknesses

The report cited corruption within the judicial system as one of the mains issues that undermine the rule of law and contributes to impunity for crime and human rights violations. “Human Rights monitored a number of cases where illegal or undocumented fees were allegedly demanded from parties by Court officials. The use of summary proceedings failed to address institutional weaknesses that permit or encourage corruption,” the report notes.

Also, the quarterly report mentioned that courts frequently failed to handle appropriately cases involving alleged sexual assault of children. “Six months after the entry into force of the Rape Amendment Act, the Act and the international human rights laws binding on Liberia are not effectively applied to prevent, investigate or punish rape of children,” it said.

Another major aspect of the report looks at prison conditions. “Ninety-one percent of prison inmates are held in pre-trial detention. Detention standards are well below minimum human rights standards,” the report notes adding, “One particularly important component of those standards, the provision of adequate medical care, continued to be missing. Failure to separate pre-trial from convicted detainees and to register all detainees upon arrival leads to risk of abuse.” It said escape and illegal release from some facilities are particular problems.

What Government Must Do
The Government must ensure that Judges, magistrates and other personnel assigned to courts outside Monrovia are in situ as a matter of principle and priority.

That they receive the necessary training to ensure that they uphold Liberian as well as international human rights law.

UNMIL Report


Gierycz says the report was monitored and compiled by some 25 human rights officers working throughout the country in collaboration with local organizations, representatives of civil societies, and the locals.
In the area of law enforcement, the report notes that the violation of the 48-hour Constitutional limit to police custody is a recurring problem. “Allegations of excessive use of force were made in several cases of arrest by private security firms.

“Due to the absence of law enforcement agencies and outside independent monitoring, communities living in isolated areas are particularly vulnerable to the risk of harmful traditional practices, especially trial by ordeal,” the report emphasized, adding, “In one case, a man died apparently as a result of injuries sustained during a trial by ordeal.”

Another point highlighted in the report is the basic state services stipulated in the Convention on the Rights of the Child ratified by Liberia which is yet to be provided in order to protect children at risk of abuse or neglect.

The report notes that access to education remains a problem in some parts of the country, while non-payment of child support by absent parents requires Government attention.

In a related development, the report notes some positive developments, such as the agreement leading to the removal of ex-combatants from the Guthrie Rubber Plantations and the deployment of the Liberia National Police to the area.

Recommendations: Govt. Must Take Steps to...

Meanwhile, the report does make a number of recommendations: Among them, the Liberian Government should take concrete steps to complete the ratification process in relation to all human rights treaties which it has already signed and to fulfill its reporting obligations. “Civil society organizations should provide input and develop parallel reports. Harmonization of domestic legislation with international human rights commitments is essential.”

The report urges Government to take immediate steps to establish a Law Reform Commission, with responsibility to review national legislation and recommend reforms.

“The Government must ensure that Judges, magistrates and other personnel assigned to courts outside Monrovia are in situ as a matter of principle and priority, and that they receive the necessary training to ensure that they uphold Liberian as well as international human rights law,” the report recommended.

Further recommendations are that Government should ensure that the anti-rape legislation is fully implemented. “This would include taking steps to ensure that allegations of rape are fully and independently investigated and that the suspected perpetrators are brought to justice in trials that meet international fair trial standards.

They’ve also suggested that a concerted and ongoing effort towards community education and sensitization to sexual assault should be undertaken in cooperation with nongovernmental organizations.

“To ensure prompt trials in accordance with international fair trials standards, the Ministry of Justice and the Chief Justice should issue administrative instructions to the effect that rape cases, particularly those involving children, are to receive priority attention from prosecutors and the judiciary,” it recommends.

The juvenile justice system needs to urgently be reviewed in order to ensure that it conforms, in law and in practice, to international standards including the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the United Nations Guidelines for the Prevention of Juvenile Delinquency.

“The Government should take immediate steps to ensure that allegations of excessive use of force and torture or ill-treatment by law enforcement officials are fully and impartially investigated. “Anyone suspected of involvement in human rights violations should be brought to justice in a trial which upholds international fair trials standards,” it notes.

UNMIL has been issuing these periodic public reports on the human rights situation, together with recommendations, as a contribution to the ongoing debate as to how the State can best promote, protect and respect the rights of all its citizens.

Subject: Sengbe the great
From: Fan of Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 18:24:47 10/18/06 ()
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Like him or hate him, Sengbe is back and liveliness on the forum is here to stay. I say welcome to the Prof. and to hell with his distractors.

Sengbe Konouwa oyea!!!!!!!
Oyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: Sengbe the great
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 20:42:22 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Thank you kindly, Fan of Sengbe.

I will do my utmost to live up to your expectations on this forum, because "Sa Lon nar we all yone."

We will NEVER allow a few rotten apples to rain on our collective parade as a nation.

Thanks again.

Subject: Re: Sengbe the great
From: Fan of Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:21:18 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
You are welcome Sengbe.
The rotten apples on this forum that calls themselves Sierra Leoneans have nothing better to contribute. They hate progressive people like you and will try to discourage you. I am sure trying is all they are capable of doing but will never get you out this this forum where people like me want you to stay.
Stay the course Sengbe!
Sengbe oyea!
Oyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Subject: Re: Sengbe the great
From: Teacher
To: All
Date Posted: 23:04:54 10/18/06 ()
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"They hate progressive people like you and will try to discourage you" -- Sengbe masquerading as "Fan of Senbge"

Edmund Koker, I see that you are still talking to yourself like the denizen of self-delusion you are, but choose not to see (of course, otherwise you would not be self-delusive, would you?) hehehehe

"prof" Koker, do yourself (and the Queen's English) a favour -- go borrow a dictionary. the very survival of the English language as we know it depends upon your learning the meanings of words like "progressive".

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Pathetic
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Date Posted: 19:21:31 10/18/06 ()
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When the mass murderer, RUF Foday Sankoh, returned to Freetown no doubt you said "Like him or hate him, Sankoh is back and liveliness in Freetown is here to stay. I say welcome to the RUF leeader and to hell with his distractors."

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Sahr T/
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Date Posted: 22:35:46 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Lived up to your name.
You have.

ST!

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Useful Vowels
To: All
Date Posted: 22:51:13 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Funny, I was just thinking that about you -- give or take an intervening "I" and a "T"

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Vowel Check
To: All
Date Posted: 05:33:04 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
T?

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Obvious
To: All
Date Posted: 05:48:15 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
Obviously, the intended letter was "H" not "T."

Rather obvious when the response to "ST"'s tart retort ("Lived up to your name. You have.") went thus:

"Funny, I was just thinking that about you -- give or take an intervening "I" and a "T"

Even more obvious when you recognize that S-T-I-T would not have correctly conveyed the worthlessness of ST's verbiage!

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: ST/
To: All
Date Posted: 18:38:48 10/19/06 ()
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Message:
So...you tried to be funny, made a mistake, and it's our fault because we're not insightful enough to figure out how funny you would have really been if you had written it correctly the first time.

Got it.

And what is this ''verbiage'' you speak of?
Some kind of salad they have trained you to eat?
Never heard of it!
Don't eat that stuff!

It'll convince you that H and T are vowels!

Carry on.

ST/

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Obvious
To: All
Date Posted: 00:31:38 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
"Some kind of salad they have trained you to eat?" -- Sahr T aka "ST/"

Sounds to me like you are racist, "Sahr T aka "ST/":

1. Who is "they" who you think "have trained you to eat?"

Of, course, if you an African, instead of a white person, your crude verbiage could mark you (equivalently) as utterly tribalistic. Which would explain your affinity for the like-minded simpleton, Edmund Koker aka Sengbe.

Or, again, you could just be rude -- yet another repugnant trait you share with Koker.

2. As to your out-of-leftfield claim, "It'll convince you that H and T are vowels!," please tell us where I ever claimed that "H and T are vowels"

For your necessary guidance, that means your answer should end the following sentence:

You stated that "H and T" are vowels" on .......[insert date] when you wrote .... [quote what you believe I ACTUALLY wrote].

Please note that you can not escape the bind you have heedlessly tumbled into by claiming nonsensically, as you did in your dense reply: "Got it"

Nor can you claim that, as you sought (even more densely) to do on my unbidden behalf, that: "you tried to be funny, made a mistake."

And, finally, no, you can not run away from my question in "2" above. That would make you too much a clone of the empty coward, Edmund Koker aka sengbe, your over-reaching wannabe "educative" self-promoter!

Hehehehe

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Woroke
To: All
Date Posted: 03:02:59 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Shallow Jalloh, the fucking modibo, at his worst.

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: EDMUND KOKER
To: All
Date Posted: 03:15:50 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
Sengbe, aka predator, aka nancy jusu, answer these questions:

How did a foul-mouthed, tribalistic, rude, and uncouth person like you -- one utterly lacking in good maners -- get past the application process at Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina?

Are the standards of that university so low?

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: Mohamed Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 03:20:16 10/20/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Bobs how you milleh da man dae so tae u dae use een name pan u ranka?

Subject: Re: Sengbe the Ingrate
From: EDMUND KOKER
To: All
Date Posted: 03:26:10 10/20/06 ()
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Message:
Just answer the question, Sengbe aka Nancy Jusu: Here it is again, since you have a short attention span:

Sengbe, aka predator, aka nancy jusu, answer these questions:
How did a foul-mouthed, tribalistic, rude, and uncouth person like you -- one utterly lacking in good maners -- get past the application process at Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina?

Are the standards of that university so low?

Subject: PROFESSOR EDMUND KOKER, WELCOME BACK
From: KABS KANU
To: All
Date Posted: 17:10:43 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Cocorioko wants to welcome the eminent Professor Edmond Koker back to the forum.

Where is our good brother , NASIRU KOKER ? Please extend my regards and tell him that we are missing him.

Subject: Re: PROFESSOR EDMUND KOKER, WELCOME BACK
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 20:35:26 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Thank you Reverend Kanu for the gracious welcome.

I really don't know the whereabouts of my second cousin, Nasiru, so I cannot give him your regards. I will find out though.

I'd really prefer to be called Sengbe Konouwah on this forum. My professional credentials are academic, and this forum in cyberdom is not an academic setting. I am just one of the participating forumites, and I like it that way. Kindly adhere to this request everyone.

Thank you.

Subject: Re: PROFESSOR EDMUND KOKER, WELCOME BACK
From: One Good Turn
To: All
Date Posted: 23:07:27 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
"Kindly adhere to this request everyone." -- Edmund Koker

Our request: Behave yourself. We ask that you "Kindly adhere to this request" Koker

Subject: How can society and human happiness be improved? Behavioris
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 16:33:51 10/18/06 ()
Email Address: bambaylk@yahoo.com
Entered From: ws-lib229.lib.csus.edu at 130.86.14.72

Message:
Burrhus Frederic "B. F." Skinner (March 20, 1904 – August 18, 1990) was an American psychologist and author. He conducted pioneering work on experimental psychology and advocated behaviorism, which seeks to understand behavior as a function of environmental histories of experiencing consequences. He also wrote a number of controversial works in which he proposed the widespread use of psychological behavior modification techniques, primarily operant conditioning, in order to improve society and increase human happiness; and as a form of social engineering.

Subject: Re: Operant Conditioning and Classical Conditioning
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 16:50:48 10/18/06 ()
Email Address: bambaylk@yahoo.com
Entered From: ws-lib229.lib.csus.edu at 130.86.14.72

Message:
"Operant" redirects here. For the meaning of operant, see Operant.
Operant conditioning is the use of consequences to modify the occurrence and form of behavior. Operant conditioning is distinguished from Pavlovian conditioning in that operant conditioning deals with the modification of voluntary behavior through the use of consequences, while Pavlovian conditioning deals with the conditioning of behavior so that it occurs under new antecedent conditions[1].

Operant conditioning, sometimes called instrumental conditioning or instrumental learning, was first extensively studied by Edward L. Thorndike (1874-1949), who observed the behavior of cats trying to escape from home-made puzzle boxes.[2] When first constrained in the boxes, the cats took a long time to escape. With experience, ineffective responses occurred less frequently and successful responses occurred more frequently, enabling the cats to escape in less time over successive trials. In his Law of Effect, Thorndike theorized that successful responses, those producing satisfying consequences, were "stamped in" by the experience and thus occurred more frequently. Unsuccessful responses, those producing annoying consequences, were stamped out and subsequently occurred less frequently. In short, some consequences strengthened behavior and some consequences weakened behavior. B.F. Skinner (1904-1990) built upon Thorndike's ideas to construct a more detailed theory of operant conditioning based on reinforcement, punishment, and extinction.

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Subject: western legal tradition values formal/ procedural Justice
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What Is Rule of Law?

Bo LI

Perspectives, Vol. 1, No. 5

"We are free because we live under civil laws." --- Charles de Secondat Montesquieu

"Rule of law" is one of the much said but little understood concepts in popular press and daily conversations in China today. What is rule of law? What is its significance? Does rule of law mean that there is no "rule of person?" What are the institutional conditions and cultural content of rule of law? How do we achieve rule of law? I intend to tackle these questions in a series of essays. In this essay, I will focus on the meaning of the rule of law and its values. In the next essay of this series (to be published in the June issue of "Perspectives"), I will talk about the implementation.

As a starting point, I want to point out that when we say "rule of law" these days, we mean something different from the instrumentalist conception of "rule by law" of the legalist philosophers in ancient Chinese history. When we say "rule of law" today we intend to describe a key component of the social and political orders found in the United States and other liberal democratic states of our time. In other words, by "rule of law" we mean a western tradition that can be traced back to the Roman republics and was fully developed by the liberal constitutionalism. It is characterized, in the words of Max Weber, by "legal domination."

The difference between "rule by law" and "rule of law" is important. Under the rule "by" law, law is an instrument of the government, and the government is above the law. In contrast, under the rule "of" law, no one is above the law, not even the government. The core of "rule of law" is an autonomous legal order. Under rule of law, the authority of law does not depend so much on law's instrumental capabilities, but on its degree of autonomy, that is, the degree to which law is distinct and separate from other normative structures such as politics and religion. As an autonomous legal order, rule of law has at least three meanings. First, rule of law is a regulator of government power. Second, rule of law means equality before law. Third, rule of law means procedural and formal justice. We will take up these meanings of rule of law one by one.

First, as a power regulator, rule of law has two functions: it limits government arbitrariness and power abuse, and it makes the government more rational and its policies more intelligent.

The opposite of rule of law is rule of person. There are two kinds of rule of person. The first kind is "rule of the few persons," examples of which include tyranny and oligarchy. The second kind of rule of person is "rule of the many persons," an example of which is the ancient Greek democracies. The common feature of rule of person is the ethos that "what pleases the ruler(s) is law." That is, under rule of person, there is no limit to what the rulers (the government) can do and how they do things.

In contrast, a key aspect of rule of law is "limitation;" i.e., rule of law puts limits on the discretionary power of the government, including the power to changes laws. This is why the western juridical tradition is Roman, not Greek. One of the major problems of ancient Greek democracy is that its conception of law does not contain the idea of limitation. The Greek word "eleutheria," commonly translated as "freedom," connotes a freedom that extends into the principle that what pleases the people is law. In other words, there were no limits to the (democratic) governments of ancient Greece, and the popular will, be it short-term passion or long-term rationality, would always become law if the demos so wished. "As soon as law lost its sacred character, popular sovereignty was placed above the law, and, by that very act, government by laws was once again fused and confused with government by men" (Sartori, 1987, p. 307).

Unlike the Greek system, the Roman system of law limited the ability of the rulers to change laws, and it greatly influenced the Anglo-Saxon version of rule of law. At the core of the Anglo-Saxon conception of rule of law is the idea that the discretionary power of the government should be limited. "[W]henever there is discretion there is room for arbitrariness, and . . . in a republic no less than under a monarchy discretionary authority on the part of the government must mean insecurity for legal freedom on the part of its subjects" (Dicey, 1982, p. 110). The solution to this problem, say liberal democrats, is rule of law.

There are two common misconceptions in China. First, when some writers describe "rule of person," they mean only "rule of the few persons." These writers think that, as long as we have democracy ("rule of the many"), we have justice and rule of law. These writers forget that the popular will can rule with or without constitutional and legal limits. Without constitutional and legal limits, popular will can be as destructive as, or even more destructive than, the unfettered discretion of "the few." Examples include the injustices of classical Greek democracy, terrors of the French Revolution and the crimes against humanity committed during the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Second, some writers in China think that, as long as laws are passed through democratic procedures, they represent the general will (a la Rousseau) and therefore are just laws. These writers forget that "popular will" is not necessarily "general will" (as Rousseau himself warned us more than two hundred years ago). Unfettered popular will can not only deviate from the Rousseauian general will, it can run against and destroy the general will.

In more specific terms, how is government arbitrariness constrained? The answer lies in several important principles of rule of law. First, if we are to limit government caprice, rule of law requires the supremacy of law as opposed to the supremacy of the government or any political party. To the noted English jurist A. V. Dicey rule of law means, "in the first place, the absolute supremacy or predominance of regular law as opposed to the influence of arbitrary power, and excludes the existence of arbitrariness, of prerogative, or even wide discretionary authority on the part of the government" (Dicey, 1982, p. 120).

Second, if the government is to be restricted in its exercise of discretion, the government has to follow legal procedures that are pre-fixed and pre-announced. As F. A. Hayek puts it, rule of law "means that a government in all its actions is bound by rules fixed and announced beforehand -- rules which make it possible to foresee with fair certainty how the authority will use its coercive powers in given circumstances, and to plan one's individual affairs on the basis of this knowledge" (Hayek, 1994, p.80). For example, in constitutional and criminal law, there is a prohibition on "ex post facto" laws, that is, no one should be punished for a crime not previously defined in law. In other words, the government cannot simply define a new crime and apply the new definition retrospectively. The rationale for this principle is that, first, the government should not be allowed to abuse its power by punishing individuals for political or other conveniences; second, it would be grossly unjust and oppressive for the government to punish someone for behavior that was not known to be criminal at the time of commission; third, to so punish individuals would result in so many uncertainties that it would create great inefficiencies.

Rule of law as a constraint on government power is well recognized, but its cognitive value in enhancing government's rationality is often less understood. Rule of law not only limits the arbitrariness of the government, it also makes the government more intelligent and articulate in its decision making. For one example, as Professor Stephen Holmes writes, "[o]nly a constitution that limits the capacity of political decision makers to silence their sharpest critics . . . can enhance the intelligence and legitimacy of decisions made" (Holmes, 1995, p. 8). For another example, the key reason why liberal democrats do not believe in the pure will theory of legality is that, without rule of law as a limit, popular will can easily be corrupted by passions, emotions and short-term irrationalities. As such, liberal democrats demand rule of law because it helps us to behave according to our long-term interest and reason.

One comment on the relationship between rule of law and liberalism is due here. Liberalism requires a limited government, and it naturally finds rule of law (as a regulator of government power) a necessary institutional arrangement. We can say that liberalism requires rule of law, and that rule of law is an institutional realization of liberal ideals. Historically, however, rule of law existed before liberalism. According to Dicey, rule or supremacy of law was firmly established in England before the end of the sixteenth century, when liberalism as a political and social philosophy had not been completely born yet -- John Locke was born in 1632 and his Second Treatise of Government was first published in 1690. However, rule of law as a constraint on government arbitrariness might have provided a strong institutional and cultural support for the birth of liberalism in England, whose core teachings included the doctrine of limited government and the right of revolution.

The second meaning of rule of law, according to Dicey, is equality before law. "[N]ot only that . . . no man is above the law, but (what is a different thing) that . . . every man, whatever be his rank or condition, is subject to the ordinary law of the realm and amenable to the jurisdiction of the ordinary tribunals. . . . [T]hough a soldier or a clergyman incurs from his position legal liabilities from which other men are exempt, he does not (speaking generally) escape thereby from the duties of an ordinary citizen" (Dicey, 1982, p. 114-115). To Dicey, even in 1915 this principle of rule of law was not universally true among the liberal democratic countries of Europe. In England the idea of legal equality had been "pushed to its utmost limit" by 1915, but in France the officials were "to some extent exempted from the ordinary law of the land, protected from the jurisdiction of the ordinary tribunals, and subject in certain respects only to official law administered by official bodies" (Dicey, 1982, p. 115). By now, however, equality before the law is a universally recognized principle in all liberal democratic countries, although different countries might, at the margins, have different interpretations of what that equality entails.

The third meaning of rule of law is formal or procedural justice. What is formal or procedural justice? Before we answer this question, we need to answer a more preliminary question: what is formalism? Max Weber categorizes legal systems into four kinds: formally irrational, substantively irrational, formally rational, and substantively rational. Rationality refers to the generality and universality of law. Formality refers to the characteristic that the criteria of lawmaking and lawfinding are intrinsic to the legal system itself; that is, all rules, procedures and decisions can be deduced from the legal system itself. In contrast, a legal system that emphasizes substantive qualities of lawmaking and lawfinding uses factors outside law, such as ethical, emotional, religious or political factors, to evaluate cases. To Weber, only a formally rational legal system can achieve "legal domination" (rule of law) through consistent application of general rules, because only a formally rational legal system can maintain a "consistent system of abstract rules" that is necessary for rule of law.

A formally rational legal system, according to the western legal tradition, also results in justice that we desire. This kind of justice is called formal or procedural justice, which "connotes the method of achieving justice by consistently applying rules and procedures that shape the institutional order of a legal system" (Shen, 2000, p. 31). More specifically, formal or procedural justice consists of several principles. First, the legal system must have a complete set of decisional and procedural rules that are fair. Second, the fair rules of decision and procedure must also be pre-fixed and pre-announced. Third, these decisional and procedural rules must be transparently applied. Fourth, these decisional and procedural rules must be consistently applied. When these four conditions are satisfied, western judges and lawyers will say that they have achieved a certain kind of justice, which is called formal or procedural justice. Note that this notion of justice is more concerned with process and procedure than with the end result. As Selznick puts it, "legality has to do mainly with how policies and rules are made and applied rather than with their contents" (Selznick, 1969, as cited in Shen, 2000, p. 30). In other words, as long as the process is fair, transparent and consistent, justice is obtained and legality is achieved.

One example will help illustrate the concept of procedural or formal justice in contrast to substantive justice. If, in truth, a person has killed another person, substantive justice requires that the killer be punished according to law. However, if the killer is illegally tortured by the police to confess to his crime and, as a result of the confession, the police find conclusive evidence (i.e., evidence proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt), such as the weapon, the body of the victim, etc., for the court to convict the killer (which results in substantive justice), there is no procedural justice because the process of finding guilt has violated the basic rights of the killer who, before the conviction, is a citizen entitled to the full protection of the Bill of Rights.

In this case, based on the well-established law of criminal procedure, an American judge will not allow the record of confession (obtained through torture) and anything found as a direct result of the confession (such as the weapon and the body) to go into the court as evidence. As such, the jury will never see these items as evidence, and if the prosecutors have no other good evidence, the killer is likely to be acquitted, even though substantive justice requires that the killer be punished (because, for example, the weapon and the body might prove the guilt beyond reasonable doubt due to the fact that the killer knows where the weapon and the body are, and the weapon contains the killer¡¯s fingerprints.) In this way, in the United States, procedural justice triumphs over substantive justice in this particular case. In the end, the American judge will claim that justice is done simply because the pre-determined procedural rule (e.g., illegally obtained evidence is not admitted in court) is consistently and transparently applied.

One prominent Chinese diplomat in the United States once complained to some American friends that the United States should not blame China for human rights violations. The United States itself, the diplomat observed, is not a just society. The diplomat then went on to use the case of O. J. Simpson as an example of the lack of justice in American society. With all the evidence, said the diplomat, it was obvious that Mr. Simpson was guilty, and an overwhelming majority of American people also thought he was guilty, but the court set him free in the criminal trial. "Is this justice?" The diplomat asked in disbelief. Obviously, the diplomat did not understand the concept of procedural justice. In the case of O. J. Simpson, the judge could confidently conclude that justice was achieved because the trial was conducted according to pre-fixed and pre-announced procedures in a fair, transparent and consistent way. If the government could not prove Mr. Simpson's guilt beyond reasonable doubt, Mr. Simpson should be set free. This procedural rule ("prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt in an ordinary court") was a well-established legal rule known long before the trial started, and the rule was fairly, transparently and consistently applied to Mr. Simpson's trial.

You might ask: does it make sense to emphasize procedural justice? The general answer is yes. In a system that sacrifices procedural justice for the sake of substantive justice, the danger of arbitrary government power and the threat to individual liberty will be too great. Eventually, that system will lead to substantive injustice as well. In contrast, in a system that emphasizes procedural justice, arbitrary government power will be checked, liberty will be protected, and substantive justice will be preserved in the long term (if we believe that truth is best obtained through contest and debate between equals).

More specifically, formal or procedural justice has at least three values. First, without fair and just procedure, there is no guarantee that the end result will be just (that is, substantive justice cannot be guaranteed). As such, procedural justice is seen as a necessary condition for substantive justice. This is why the western legal tradition places a much higher value on formal or procedural justice than its East Asian counterpart, which puts more emphasis on substantive justice. In fact, some western legal scholars regard procedural justice as the only workable method for reaching substantive justice, and to these scholars procedural justice should be the only concern of the players within the formally rational legal system.

Second, formal or procedural justice is a condition for constraining government arbitrariness and protecting individual rights. When the government is required to follow pre-fixed, transparent and fair procedures before it can deprive a person's life, liberty or property, the danger of government arbitrariness is substantially reduced and the prospect for wrongful deprivations of individual rights is also significantly diminished.

Third, as Max Weber points out, procedural justice results in consistency, predictability and calculability that are desirable aspects of economic and social life. This second value of procedural justice is independent of any value we place on substantive justice and strengthens the argument for the western tradition of emphasizing procedural justice.

A comment on formalism is due here. Marxist writers often criticize the capitalist style rule of law as a sham. In these writers' vocabulary, "formal" is often synonymous with "superficial" and "unreal," and the distinction between formal and substantive justice is turned into a distinction between apparent and real justice. This characterization of rule of law is a gross mis-characterization. In western law, being formal has nothing to do with being superficial or unreal. "At the heart of the word 'formalism' . . . lies the concept of decisionmaking according to rule" (Schauer, 1988, p. 510). Furthermore, being formal is probably the only way through which a juridical order can achieve certain level of rationality. Professor Giovanni Sartori puts this point in more stark terms. "When we speak of 'juridical form' we are singling out the very requisite of a legal order. The form of law and the formal nature of law constitute . . . the characteristics by virtue of which a law is a law. . . . Formal is the method, not the result."

We have discussed three core meanings of the western conception of rule of law. Several caveats are in order. First, we have so far ignored one fundamental question. Those laws that constitute constraints on government arbitrariness and establish formal justice cannot be just any laws. They also have to be "civil" (a la Montesquieu) or just laws in some substantive sense. We have so far left the question, "which laws are civil or just laws?" unanswered. In other words, we have been focusing exclusively on the form of law, not the content of law. This focus is not accidental, because it has been the focus of western jurisprudence in the last one hundred years. In the western system of liberal democracy, the substantive justice (justice in content), or "iustum" in Latin, of law has been guaranteed by a constitutional state. "A large number of constitutional devices are, in effect, intended to create the conditions of a lawmaking process in which ius [the Latin word for law] will remain tied to iustum [what is just], in which law will remain the right law. For this reason legislation is entrusted to elected bodies that must periodically answer to the electorate. And for the same reason we do not give those who are elected to office carte blanche, but we consider them power holders curbed by and bound to a representative role" (Sartori, 1987, pp. 322-323). As such, western jurisprudence could afford to focus exclusively on the form of law.

This exclusive focus on the form of law is, however, also worrisome. Because of the existence of the constitutional guarantee on the substantive justice of law, western jurisprudence has come to have a purely formal definition of law. "Unfortunately . . . the formalistic school of jurisprudence completely overlooks . . . the fact that the formal definition of law presupposes the constitutional state. Therefore, the high level of systematic and technical refinement achieved by this approach cannot save it from the charge of having erected an unsafe juridical edifice open to easy conquest" (Sartori, 1987, p. 323). As such, when we study the western conception of rule of law, we should not forget that western legal scholars have been living in a constitutional state for so long that they are used to forgetting the importance of liberal constitutionalism in guaranteeing the just content of law. We Chinese do not have such luxury -- we do not have a constitutional state yet. When we talk about legality in China, we should not focus only on the form of law; we should also pay particular attention to the content of law. In fact, as we will see in the next essay of this series, without a constitutional state, we probably cannot guarantee anything: neither the content nor the form of law can be guaranteed to be just. In other words, without a constitutional state, neither substantive justice nor procedural justice, either in lawmaking or in the application of law, can be guaranteed. In the next essay, we will therefore spend a good amount of time on liberal constitutionalism.

Second, promoting rule of law does not mean that we should, or can, eliminate rule of person. Literal rule of law has its own costs (such as rigidity) and in some cases it can conflict with our sense of justice. In addition, it is probably impossible to eliminate rule of person completely. After all, laws are not given; they have to be made by certain people. Laws' applications are not automatic; they have to be applied by certain people. Even in the most advanced liberal democratic countries of our time -- the countries that are regarded as having the most developed systems of rule of law -- human factors play important roles in shaping traditions, customs and institutional cultures that are integral parts of the liberal democratic machinery. The real question is not whether we should eliminate or keep rule of person. The real question is about how to strike a balance between rule of law and rule of person so we can achieve liberty, equality, and justice. In this regard, liberal constitutionalism has been the only successful system. "Liberal constitutionalism is the technique of retaining the advantages of [rule of law as well as rule of person] while lessening their respective shortcomings" (Sartori, 1987, p. 308). We will discuss how this is so in the next essay.

We have discussed the meaning and the ideals of rule of law in this essay. In the next essay of this series, we will turn to the implementation of rule of law, particularly liberal constitutionalism.

(The author is an attorney with the New York law firm of Davis Polk & Wardwell.)

References:

1. Dicey, A. V. Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution. Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 1982.

2. Hayek, Friedrich. The Road to Serfdom. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.

3. Holmes, Stephen. Passions and Constraint: On the Theory of Liberal Democracy. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1995.

4. Sartori, Giovanni. The Theory of Democracy Revisited. Chatham, New Jersey: Chatham House, 1987.

5. Schauer, Frederick. "Formalism." Yale Law Journal 97 (1988): 509-548.

6. Selznick, P. Law, Society and Industrial Justice. New York: Russell Sage Foundation, 1969.

7. Shen, Yuanyuan. "Conceptions and Receptions of Legality: Understanding the Complexity of the Law Reform in China." In The Limits of the Rule of Law in China, ed. Karen G. Turner, James V. Feinerman and R. Kent Guy. Seattle: University of Washington Press, 2000.

8. Weber, Max. Economy and Society, ed. G. Roth and R. Wittich. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1978.

Subject: Stereotypes
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Read about stereotypes

Subject: Liberia: Sexual Violence Against Women And Children Remains
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Liberia: Sexual Violence Against Women And Children Remains a Major Concern - UN

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UN News Service (New York)

October 18, 2006
Posted to the web October 18, 2006

Sexual violence against women and children remains a major concern in Liberia, according to a United Nations report released today, which also warns that weaknesses in the impoverished country's judicial system, including inoperative courts and inefficient investigation, are violating the human rights of both victims and suspects.

The report, the UN Mission in Liberia's (UNMIL) fifth on human rights, says that six months after the country's Rape Amendment Act came into effect, the cases listed clearly shows that far more effort is required by everyone working in the judicial system to address this reprehensible crime.

"Sexual and gender-based violence, particularly against children, continued to be a major concern for UNMIL and all its partners working to uphold the fundamental rights of women and children," the Mission said in a press release.

The report, covering the period May to July 2006, was prepared with information from 25 UNMIL human rights monitors stationed in all Liberia's 15 counties and, as well as providing an overview of the most important trends, it focuses in particular on challenges facing the judicial system as the country rebuilds after 14 years of conflict.

"Circuit Courts in five counties were not operational during the May Term of Court, resulting in violations of the Constitutional and the human rights of both victims and suspects," said Chief of the Human Rights and Protection Section, Dorota Gierycz, in launching the report.

Further, Ms. Gierycz said that where courts were operational, only a fraction of the cases listed for trial were heard. Also, inefficient investigation, prosecution and hearings led to prolonged pre-trial detention in many cases and frequently, suspects were released from detention without facing trial.

A positive development has been the submission of a joint report by UNMIL and the Government of Liberia Rule of Law Task Force to President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf outlining a programme to strengthen the judicial sector. As part of this, UNMIL and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) supported a three-day workshop jointly organized by the Ministry of Justice, to consider best practices to strengthen the Rule of Law.

Also related to law and order, the head of UNMIL has called for an end to the illegal rubber trade, stressing the importance of the crop in helping the country rebuild.

"Illegal tapping and sale of rubber remains a problem and we need to have a proper certification or licensing for dealers and traders. Regulation of the rubber industry needs to be strengthened. We must stop the trade in illegal rubber because it is one of the most important sources of income and growth for Liberia," said Alan Doss, the Secretary-General's Special Representative for Liberia.

Mr. Doss made his remarks during a trip to the Guthrie Rubber Plantation, about 50 kilometres west of the capital, Monrovia, where he highlighted the progress made since UNMIL supported the Government in taking control of the plant in August.

"The peace process is not just stopping war. It is also about rebuilding the economy and creating jobs we must ensure that nobody seizes this plantation again and harvests rubber illegally."

In another development, Mr. Doss recently joined members of the Liberian police force, and UN military and police officers on a night patrol in some parts of the capital, as part of increased patrolling to curb the reported increase in violent crime in Monrovia.

Subject: Re: Liberia: Sexual Violence Against Women And Children Remains
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Governments in that entire sub-region must formulate and implement laws that will protect women and children because the two groups have being abused for a long time.African men must be forced to understand that they need to walk away from the ungodly act of abusing women.Men must realize that their wives are not their subordinates, they(women) are partners in the marriage.A man must know when to stop.The man must also,respect the woman's right,when she says NO,the man must respect that.
Voilence against children does not help make them become better adults,instead it takes away a happy childhood from them.You can redirect your kids attentions without being violent to them.The most annoying thing about most african parents is that they want to direct their kids when they too need directions.My brothers and sisters,you can not give what you dont have.
Sexual violence against women and children is wrong and it must be stopped by governments in Africa.

Subject: Re: Liberia: Sexual Violence Against Women And Children Remains
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"African men must be forced to understand that they need to walk away from the ungodly ---"
It is human nature to resist anything that is forced on him/her.
Why not educate them rather than "force" them ?

Subject: Re: Liberia: Sexual Violence Against Women And Children Remains
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because Forcve is the only way some people think Pa J. What do you expect from the poster? Eridte choice of words? No he is SLPP for goodness sake. When it suits him he makes statements about God as if he is pious, but he is neither pious nor as smart as he purports to be, just watch and see him get exposed.

Ketamia

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John Gbela goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way. I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me Capitalism. Mommy is the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you The People. The nanny, well, considers her The Working Class. Your baby brother, we'll call him The Future. Now go think about this and see if it makes sense."
So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying and runs to his room only to find that his diapers are very soiled. So the little boy goes to his parents' room. Mom is sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he looks through the peephole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed.
The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand what politics is now."
"Good son, tell me in your own words then what politics are."
The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep shit."

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John Gbela goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way. I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me Capitalism. Mommy is the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you The People. The nanny, well, considers her The Working Class. Your baby brother, we'll call him The Future. Now go think about this and see if it makes sense."
So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying and runs to his room only to find that his diapers are very soiled. So the little boy goes to his parents' room. Mom is sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he looks through the peephole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed.
The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand what politics is now."
"Good son, tell me in your own words then what politics are."
The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep shit."

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After being bored to death by the "haters" on this forum, I thought it wise to peruse the BBC site for a moment, and this article really perturbed me. Here is an excerpt from it:

"...Women carry out the surgery as part of an initiation rite to adulthood.

Lord Bingham said: "The operation, often very crudely performed, causes excruciating pain.

"It can give rise to serious long-term ill effects, physical and mental, and it is sometimes fatal.

"Even the lower classes of Sierra Leonean society regard uninitiated indigenous women as an abomination fit only for the worst sort of sexual exploitation..."

Please tell me it ain't true.

Is it?

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From: Look Inwards
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Date Posted: 15:04:40 10/18/06 ()
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"After being bored to death by the "haters" on this forum, I thought it wise to peruse the BBC site for a moment, " -- Edmund Koker aka sengbe

Koker, the only hater around you is yourself. You see, if you did not hate yourself, you would not hate others. and if you did not find yourself insulting, you would not insult others.

so, rude "prof." look in the mirror if you want to know where your many problems with people come from.

Subject: Re: Here is the Truth
From: Peeper
To: All
Date Posted: 16:26:29 10/18/06 ()
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My friend, please allow Sengbe to be Sengbe. Like other forumites, there are certain things about Sengbe most forumites dislike. Should they go after every post he makes? If so, this place will be left to the dogs. Please let peace rule, please!

Subject: Re: Here is the Truth
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 20:54:41 10/18/06 ()
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Peeper, what are those "certain things about Sengbe most forumites dislike?"

Please tell me.

Remember now, we are in cyberdom, and you do not, or may not, really know this person called Sengbe, so you cannot really judge me, the person, by my writings on this forum.

I strive to write as honestly, and as objectively as humanly possible. I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but I cherish the freedom to express my thoughts as transparently as possible.

I've always invited discourse with my opponents, as opposed to diatribes. I do not tolerate the latter. As an SLPPer, I never run away from a good debate, for I am conscious of the fact that I'd always be on the winner's side.

Indeed, "please allow Sengbe to be Sengbe".

I allow everyone else to be themselves, don't I?

Subject: Re: Here is the Truth
From: Pepper
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Date Posted: 22:57:07 10/18/06 ()
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"Peeper, what are those "certain things about Sengbe most forumites dislike?"

Please tell me." -- Sengbe

Here is a mere sample of your repugnant characteristics:

Rudeness, tribalism, dishonesty, and stupidity.

Subject: Re: Here is the Truth
From: Impartial
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Date Posted: 19:10:00 10/18/06 ()
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Your bias is showing, my friend. In case you did not notice, it was koker who came here to display his rudeness. look inwards only pointed it out.

You should be advising koker to stop his compulsive rude behavior towards others here. then there would be no need for others to take offense at his repulsive display. But, of course, that requires impartiality -- something I fear you can not muster the courage to cultivate, sadly.

Otherwise, why would you ask civilized people to "allow Sengbe to be Sengbe?" Or, is it that you really want "this place left to the dogs"?

Subject: LAILATU-QADRI-THE NIGHT OF POWER.
From: ALPHA SAIDU BANGURA
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Date Posted: 11:31:46 10/18/06 ()
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BISMILLAAHIR-RAHMAANIR-RAHIIM.
My dear brothers and sisters the LAILA-UL-QADR is the night of power,the night in which the Quran was revealed as a guarding tool for mankind.
In a revelation to mankind the Almighty Allah says in chapter 97 of his Quran:
BISMILLAAHIR-RAHMAANIR-RAHIIM.
'INNAAA 'ANZALNAAHU FII LAYLATIL-QADR,
WA MAAA 'ADRAAKA MAA LAYLATUL-QADR?
LAYLATUL-QADRI KHAYRUM-MIN'ALFI SHAHR.
TANAZZALUL-MALAAA-'IKATU WAR-RUUHU FIIHAA
BI-'IZNI RABBIHIM-MIN-KULLI'AMR,
SALAAMUN HIYA HATTAA MATLA-IL-FAJR!
MEANING: IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,MOST GRACIOUS,MOST
MERCIFUL.
WE HAVE INDEED REVEALED THIS MESSAGE IN THE
NIGHT OF POWER,
AND WHAT WILL EXPLAIN TO THEE WHAT THE NIGHT
OF POWER IS?
THE NIGHT OF POWER IS BETTER THAN A THOUSAND
MONTHS.
THEREIN COME DOWN THE ANGELS AND THE SPIRIT
BY ALLAH'S PERMISSION,ON EVERY ERRAND:
PEACE!...THIS UNTIL THE RISE OF MORN!
This is a makkan surah.It describes the greatness of the LAILATU-QADRI,the night of power,The quran was revealed during the blessed night and Allah(SWT)has made it a special time for believers to seek his mercy and favor.
LAILATU-QADRI is found in the last ten nights of ramadan,the month of fasting.
The arabic term QADRI has two meanings:power and greatness,and decision making.
On this night Allah(SWT) makes decisions about the coming year,malaikatul jibril and the other angels carry these decisions to the world on this night.
It is a night of special blessings.It contains more blessings than can be found in one thousand months.Any good deed,fasting(during the day),and prayers,are better than if these same actions are performed for a thousand months.
One thousand months are calculated to be equal to eighty three years and four months(83years and 4 months),the average life span of a human being.
Rasulullah(S) has said to seek this night in the odd nights of the last ten days.Some Imams pointed out to the night of the twenty-seventh(27th) as being the night.
The angels descend during this blessed night with special orders from Allah(SWT).This is a Night Of Peace,until dawn arrives.
May the Almighty Allah accept the fasting of all true muslims.
I pray that Allah will continue to bless all of us in this forum.
I also pray that Allah will surround us with his protection.Amin.

Subject: HOW TO MAKE PROGRESS ON REFORMING LAND TENURE IN SL
From: Mohamed A. Jalloh
To: All
Date Posted: 06:11:13 10/18/06 ()
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[The following recent exchange is presented here, courtesy of SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, in the continuing effort to empower fellow S/Leoneans by sharing information that has the potential to redress the ills of our country -- if any recommendations therein are implemented by the SL government. For privacy reasons, the names of my correspondent and his prior correspondent have been duly redacted].

In SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, MohmJ@... wrote on Oct 18, 2006:

On Oct 17, 2006, in SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, [Name Redacted]@... wrote:
>
>
> "... There may be indeed some practices outside of our context that are replicable but in this instance -- land tenure. Even if we wish to replicate, the contexts should reflect similar characteristic features. ...
>
> My primary concern is that we should not be in the business of looking at models that are not fashioned for our contexts -- land tenure in Sierra Leone -- in our efforts to deal with our frustrations over an issue that deserves attention and intervention strategies to address the concerns of all Sierra Leoneans. We should aggregate data in situ regarding the issue, and from the data generated, come up with policies and intervention strategies that would encompass to the best of our ability, a near if not complete collective will."

Dr. [Name Redacted]:

Kindly accept my commendation for your well-reasoned analysis of the thorny issue of land tenure in SL, which is quoted in pertinent part above.

Your proposition that frustration should not drive the effort to reform what is undoubtedly an inequitable current system of land tenure is timely -- given our friend, Brian's unfortunate attempt to base the argument for land tenure reform on revenue generation grounds, rather than the eminently sufficient ground of equity. By the latter, of course, I refer to equal rights for all S/Leoneans expressed in this particular case as equal opportunity to own land anywhere in SL.

Accordingly, to focus on the demonstrably inapplicable models of intrastate U.S. communities can only retard the progress towards long overdue land reform in SL by needlessly clouding an otherwise clear case for land reform.

As regards your admonition that "[t]here may be indeed some practices outside of our context that are replicable but in this instance -- land tenure. Even if we wish to replicate, the contexts should reflect similar characteristic features. ...," regrettably, yours is not the first caution to [Name Redacted] against adopting inapplicable foreign models in lieu of adapting them to SL's actual situation. Tellingly, I was obliged to suggest to [Name Redacted] here last July, in regard to this same subject, that the mere fact that "that is how it is done in the US.," does not necessarily mean that it makes sense to do it in SL.

In my humble opinion, the argument for reforming the land tenure system in SL is validly grounded not upon a consideration of how much revenue can be obtained by local authorities from individual land ownership, but upon the eminently equitable proposition that all citizens of SL should be accorded an equal opportunity to own land under the laws of SL, irrespective of their tribe or place of birth.

Hopefully, the current debate on this important issue would be informed accordingly, in the interest of making progress towards a long overdue solution to this thorny problem.

Best regards,

Moh'm

--- In SALONEDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, [Name Redacted]@... wrote on Oct 17, 2006:
>
> Dear brother [Name Redacted]:
>
> Many thanks for providing information on the VP's visit and interview. With regard to your posting below, your investigation is interesting and informative. To use the sources you mention below as parallels is not uniformly appropriate. Even though, according to your report the VP did not explicitly state other sources of funding for local governments, I do believe that there are other ways of generating funds for the administration of local government in areas outside Freetown with indigenous land tenure practices. For instance, there is a program that provides for the distribution of proceeds derived from sales of diamonds in areas that endowed with the precious stones. A counter argument could be advanced with the premise that not all areas are endowed with mineral and other potentially high yielding revenue sources. These are issues that fall within the domain of common patrimony and we may need to get more involved in approaching them from that standpoint as we seek to achieve a balanced growth and quality of life for all Sierra Leoneans. We are still in the process of reconstruction and we have to ascertain that the central government cannot be prevented in the name of decentralization, from having some direct input into the development of strategies and concomittant assistance in managing resources across the national spectrum. Your examples below are derived from centuries of experience with some abominable epochs of unfairness in the generation and use of resources for local government in the locales you investigated. I believe we should as a nation develop resource generating strategies consistent with our objective realities than simply attempt to replicate other practices. There may be indeed some practices outside of our context that are replicable but in this instance -- land tenure. Even if we wish to replicate, the contexts should reflect similar characteristic features.
>
> The above said, it is not my purpose in this posting to engage in an argument about the pros and cons of the different land tenure practices that exist between the Western Area and some parts of the rest of the country. I say "some parts" because I know people who have purchased land outside of the Western area. My primary concern is that we should not be in the business of looking at models that are not fashioned for our contexts -- land tenure in Sierra Leone -- in our efforts to deal with our frustrations over an issue that deserves attention and intervention strategies to address the concerns of all Sierra Leoneans. We should aggregate data in situ regarding the issue, and from the data generated, come up with policies and intervention strategies that would encompass to the best of our ability, a near if not complete collective will.
>
> Regards,
> [Name Redacted]
>

Subject: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 14:49:03 10/17/06 ()
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As you all know I have been away from the forum for quite sometime now. I left in July so that I could pursue my professional obligations overseas, and elsewhere. Also, I left because I did not want to crawl in the gutter with some of the low-lives on this forum, preferring instead to keep company with a better class of folks in my estimation.

One of those low-lives has very recently been substantially chastised by his own kith and kin on this forum. And we now know with certainty that it is /was through the use / abuse of drugs and alcohol that "made him do that". We feel very sorry for him and his family, and pray that he would overcome his negative addictions, so that he might positively contribute to the community he resides in.

The other one is still putting out economic theories that are not recognized by his peers, and he maintains that he's been doing so for over thirty years now so that he can inspire / teach his fellow Sa Lonians about the wrongs done to Africans, and Sa Lonians, in particular, by the Bretton Woods institutions over the span of several decades, out of his own patriotic volition. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Only that Alie Formeh, my Limba friend from Biriwa Chiefdom in the North of Sa Lon counteracts him every step of the way.[Nor worry yousef Alie, Kabbah did to your chiefdom the same thing he did to ours in Bagbo.]

Furthermore, if these theories were so sound, how come he does not offer to defend them at conferences organized by his own peers? And why is he not in residence in the country he boasts about uplifting from the imf's economic imperialism? Nuff said about that.

I came back and also found that the home away from Stockholm on this forum for my on-off favourite philosopher-cum-writer has been demolished.

I am talking about the one and only "Wan Han Bangle", Bra Cornie.

I miss Bra Cornie. His sanity. His insanity. His stupidity. His silliness. His prose. His borrowed poems. His name-dropping (for he is not really that vigorously well-educated as he aspires to be, so he name-drops). His name-calling (when he is drunk - according to JEL). His guitar-playing talent. [I wonder if he has new music cd's he can write about?] His Yoruba roots. His Ghanaian ancestry.

His cousin (Raymond) was my friend, but I don't know if Bra Cornie is my friend.

Are you my friend, Bra Cornie?

Well then, if you are my friend, you must come out from under the house arrest imposed on you by whomsoever. Furthermore, let me offer a proposal I made a few months ago, so that we can ALL get along as Sa Lonians.

[EH BO!! Why Sa Lon peeple lek make plaba so? Why we nor go jus practice peace, love, and harmony ALL of the time?]

In an effort to promulgate that love, that peace, that joy, and that harmony, amongst us, let me copy and paste that proposal herein:

"...Subject: Cultural Education: The folk tales of Sa Lon
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 19:02:11 03/06/06 ()
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Forumites, please allow me to make a suggestion:

Instead of being political most of the time on this forum, why don't we make it a habit some of the time to learn about each other's culture?

This tendency seems to bring us together more so than the "political discussions" that usually divide us and pits us at each others' throats in many instances.

Please note that I am NOT advocating for the elimination of such discussions. It is just that once in a while when we talk about topics such as Sa Lon football, S.L. folklores, S.L. folk music, etc., everyone tends to enjoy, and it seems to me that we bond better that way (when we create situations that make us all miss our homeland).

For example, the Reverend sharing his vast knowledge about Sa Lon football (even though he wrongfully ascribed ASHANTI KOTOKO to ASANTE KOTOKO some time ago - he was probably thinking in Swahili as opposed to thinking in Ghanaian ashanti)is so enjoyable and devoid of stress. Loggy talking about Idrissa Kontofillie based on his grandma's accounts. Sherbroman talking about Lansana Kuruballay, etc. etc.

I think that we need to discuss these cultural aspects about our country so that we can educate one another about our different cultures in a non-political sense, for the purpose of bonding.

I wanted to start or continue by telling a folk story about KASIO SAMA, in Mende folklore, but I could not remember any of the contents relayed in the stories that were told to us as kids when we sat in a circle under the moonlight in the village.

I also wanted to tell the folk story about ONE-FOOT JOPPIE, but I could not remember it in its intricate details.

I need help.

Could anyone please share your knowledge with the forum so as to culturally educate us and the peepers too?

Cultural awareness is very important in our developement as a cohesive nation.

If this proposal is acceptable to you, then please start the ball rolling. If not, then please do not insult me. That tendency will serve no good purpose, but to start a fight. And we do not want that. We want to bond.

I thank you..."

Why don't you start, Bra Cornie?

It is I,
Sengbe

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: CRASE DOG
To: All
Date Posted: 18:10:07 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
OH WOW THE ASSHOLE IS BACK

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: ALPHA SAIDU BANGURA
To: All
Date Posted: 12:43:48 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Thank for very much Sengbe for coming back to this forum.I know that you will join me in marketing our beloved SLPP.Please,let us use this forum to disseminate our SLPP policies and encourage sober minded people to join our party.
Once again I thank you for coming back, andI hope you will stick and stay in this forum.
Let us in the SLPP force our adversaries to understand that, AT THE BACK OF EVERY NOBLE LIFE ARE PRINCIPLES THAT FASHION THE LIFE IT SELF.Therefore,we in the SLPP will never compromise our principles for any thing in this world.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 13:03:49 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Thank you too, Bra Alpha Saidu Bangura, for holding down the partisan fort while I was away. You are indeed an HONOURABLE man that should be emulated by most SANE folks.

Hopefully your expose' of "you-know-who" will bring him back to his senses and realize that he comes from an honourable family so he must amend his addictive ways.

I will be transferring back to GIT at the end of the academic year. Hopefully, I will meet with you while living down there in the ATL in the very near future.

God bless you and yours.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: banda Gbla
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Date Posted: 18:21:03 10/18/06 ()
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sidom dae tok nonsense " you know who dae cam put im foot nar you ras jisnor" enti you sabi am. You too lek plaba. da man sidom saful nor fen you plaba you dae try for meke e cam get involved pan you stupidness. sidom wait ya.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: wow
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Date Posted: 19:35:05 10/18/06 ()
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pikin dem day visit dis forum oh. Obo sio!!!!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 08:07:36 10/18/06 ()
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Welcome back to where you belong, and about time too.I am not so sure about the new politically correct SENGBE,as compared to the political one.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 10:14:21 10/18/06 ()
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Thank you Cadmus for the welcome.

My brother we are political beings, but we cannot always be political.

There is more to life than politics alone.

We need to bond better as Salonblia. Some folks do not understand this aspect so we must educate them.

How is good ol' London? I was there in July.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 11:54:24 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Sengbe..
What a shame I missed you ..next time you are London please do check me out.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 11:58:59 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Okay, I will.

Cheers!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 20:22:25 10/17/06 ()
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Message:
He's back!!!!
This time, he walks slowly and carry not a BIG AX, but a BIG STICK with him.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Botkidi
To: All
Date Posted: 22:32:07 10/17/06 ()
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The Shining with a difference? Why is Sengbe coming out only now?

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 10:09:32 10/18/06 ()
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Botkidi, why are you asking that question?

Have you been on this forum incessantly (ALL the time) since its inception?

It is amazing the kinds of emotion I generate by my presence on this forum.

Love from my intellectual peers, my Mende and SLPP brothers.

Hate, rudeness, and general unfriendliness from my detractors, including some drug-ingesting akarta mongrels, and economic quarks.

Don't be hating (ebonics).

Love me or hate me, it is I, Sengbe, the Conqueror of Idiots.

Are one of them, Botkidi?

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Mirror
To: All
Date Posted: 13:28:11 10/18/06 ()
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"It is amazing the kinds of emotion I generate by my presence on this forum." -- Edmund Koker aka Sengbe aka Nancy jusu the Predator

You fool only yourself "professor" Edmund Koker with your latest self-delusive comment!

But, in case you are truly ignorant of your putrid character deficiencies, then, just look in your mirror. Then, you will learn that it is not your "presence on this forum" which attracts well-deserved villification from others here. It is only your trademark rudeness and tribalistic rants.

Just so you know -- in case you didn't, or couldn't, before.

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 13:41:20 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Thank you!!

And I love you too.

Now go smoke your weed, you little maggot!!

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Mirror
To: All
Date Posted: 13:52:27 10/18/06 ()
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"And I love you too." -- Edmund Koker aka Sengbe aka Nancy Jusu.

Koker, did you never pass an english exam in secondary school? don't you know the meaning of the word "too?" No? well, dumb "professor," you only say "And I love you too." in reply to someone who first said to you "I love you."

Don't let me catch you trying to write English sentences again before you have gone back and tried to pass "O" level English for the first time, mr. dumb "professor" Prof. Edmond Koker of Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina, aka Sengbe, predator, nancy jusu. heheheheh

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Mirror, mirror, take a look at yourself
To: All
Date Posted: 14:04:59 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Mirror writes:
"you only say 'And I love you too.' in reply to someone who first said to you 'I love you.'"

Mirror, mirror, you are making an ass hole of yourself brother. Relatively, Sengbe is right.

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Mirror
To: All
Date Posted: 14:19:35 10/18/06 ()
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"Mirror, mirror, you are making an ass hole of yourself brother. Relatively, Sengbe is right."

Seems to me that you lack good manners. you also lack a versatile vocabulary. and you wallow in self-delusion. all of which point to one thing -- you are Edmund Koker aka sengbe, aka nancy jusu, etc. How do we know? simple! Like the unimaginative coward that you had shown us you are, you have now relapsed to your default mode. you don't know what that is? I'll teach you, "prof." Edmund Koker, triblistic dunce with many false names! You are displaying your chronic cowardice by hiding behind false names to indulge in your two favorite pasttimes. You don't know what those character defects of yhours are? well, they are rudeness and self-delusion! heheheheh

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 14:18:47 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
Thanks for the support, bra.

The ignoramus does not understand that I was being grossly sarcastic toward 'it'.

Here we have old men, in their fifties and sixties, still yearning to be counted as having taken the G.C.E. O'levels.

Well, some of us passed that stage in our educational activities many moons ago. We do not countenance it.

It is left up to them to sit still mentally while we move on.

Have you taken notice of the fact that none of them has addressed the themes and issues initiated in this thread? All they want to do is to espouse hate, and the ugliness in their thought processes.

What a bunch of hateful people!!!

I am backing the USsA.

Subject: Re: There's None So Blind As He Who Chooses Not to See!
From: Truth
To: All
Date Posted: 14:21:44 10/18/06 ()
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"Thanks for the support, bra."

Edmund Koker, so now you are talking to yourself? How low can you go, Oh man hiding behind many false names?

you give rudeness and self-delusion a bad name! hehehehehehh

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: BOTKIDI
To: All
Date Posted: 13:20:37 10/18/06 ()
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Message:
To answer your question, yes, I have always been around. I asked you that question because you were totally silent when the bra was trying to smoke you out. you took all the smoke and stayed out of sight despite all the smoke. were you afraid? no, I am not one of your tormentors although I like to tease you once in a while. you are intelligent but not always wise.

Subject: Re: Wisdom is not all "prof" Edmund Koker Lacks
From: The Truth
To: All
Date Posted: 13:38:34 10/18/06 ()
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Message:

Botkidi says to Edmund Koker -- "you are intelligent but not always wise." How right you are, Botkidi. Just takew a look at the proof below from the rude "professor"

Edmund Koker, aka Sengbe, aka Nancy Jusu hides behind hints this time, instead of his usual false names to show off his unbrought-up-ness today:

"You know, Bra Yaya, there is one "medical" quack here on this forum who wants me to validate his rise from being a nurse, RNP, to an MPH (still in school for it), and to an md (from some off-shore outfit in the Carribean).

He tries to do so by showing off his cacademic inclinations.[Did I say cacademic?"

Botkidi, I will add that not only has Prof. Edmond Koker of Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina, aka Sengbe showed us that he is not wise (meaning he is "tupppit" but he is also lacking in good manners. Tchai!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 13:36:42 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
In your case, you are wise some of the time, but you always lack intellect / common sense.

Why are you trying to "set-fire" by asking such a question?

Am I bound by some yonibana law to be on this forum 24/7/365. I come and go as I please. I am not under your command.

We all know that you were actually trying to come to the aid of your akarta brethren by asking that silly question, but I beat you to the punch.

You talk about "smoking me out".

Who was trying to smoke me out?

The quack?

The drug addict?

The thieving economist?

Who, bra? Tell me who!!

Get out of the snow oberyanda, as your little brain is already frozen.

Eh! Salone man dem, why oona lef for fen plaba so? ehn glow ehn gloat nar oona setfire. Oonu nor geh nartin else for do? Oonar sorry oh!!!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: FORREST GUMP
To: All
Date Posted: 08:43:58 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host81-157-200-103.range81-157.btcentralplus.com at 81.157.200.103

Message:
check the past IP`s Botkidi comes under Alieu`s IP he has been talking and answering himslf all over the place Silly boy
FORREST

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Judge
To: All
Date Posted: 13:45:27 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 64.12.117.8

Message:
"You talk about "smoking me out".

Who was trying to smoke me out?"

Edmund Koker, aka Sengbe, aka Nancy Jusu aka Predator, even you can not ne that dumb! You know that it was your teacher, Iscandari who, having exposed your shallow mentality, caused you to flee from your mirror with your tail betwen your tribalistic legs!

now, today, you come here and ask "Who was trying to smoke me out?" Kniow what that means? You don't of course, so let me teach you. it means only one thing, rude "professor" Edmund Koker. and that is, You have retrogressed from being a tribalistic dunce to being a much more tribalistic dunce! heheheheh

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Yaya Fanusie
To: All
Date Posted: 12:46:55 10/18/06 ()
Email Address: Saigobe@lanset..com
Entered From: adsl-71-138-131-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net at 71.138.131.201

Message:
Brother Sengbe,
I read your "I am back manifesto" and I wanted to respond to it but decided to wait and see what you would do later. Let me make a suggestion: Just move on to better concerns rather than revisting "interpersonal conflict". Move on. Let me tell you how I deal with personal issues on the cyberspace, I general just ignore it or make fun of and move on. Our people in Africa, I am certain if you
poll their views would tell you that they want us to focus on helping Africa develop and that is where you should focus your resources, time and personal energy.
Yaya Fanusie

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 13:21:56 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.85.61.211

Message:
Howdy, Bra Yaya!!

Long time, no hear.

I thank you very kindly for the advice you have given me. I will try to abide by it in the future.

You know, Bra Yaya, there is one "medical" quack here on this forum who wants me to validate his rise from being a nurse, RNP, to an MPH (still in school for it), and to an md (from some off-shore outfit in the Carribean).

He tries to do so by showing off his cacademic inclinations.[Did I say cacademic? For everyone else, I meant academic. Please forgive me.] And Bra Yaya, you quite well know that this is not the place for that. Especially for someone who does not know the difference between a SCHOLAR and a STUDENT.

The borgeddor is still a student at his ripe old age, and wants to ride on our coat tails as a scholar in order to seek intellectual validation, and perhaps some cerification, in the eyes of forumites and peepers. I refuse to give him the countenance for such validation. He is wasting his time. I will NEVER respond to it.

Anyway, how is your micro-credit activity in COA coming along? You might just be the next Nobel Laureate for Peace based on these activities.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers!!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Yaya Fanusie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:23:25 10/18/06 ()
Email Address: saigobe@lanset.com
Entered From: adsl-71-138-131-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net at 71.138.131.201

Message:
Hi Sengbe,
Micro loans start-ups are coming up slow because I am the only one spending my personal cash. I am getting excellent results in Africa so far. I will be moving to the east coast, Silver Spring Maryland in January and things should move fast.
Yaya

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:15:22 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
Is the move to Silver Springs, MD going to be permanent? I have a home in the next town over on the northside. I will surely meet you there then on my weekend visits.

Stay strong, Bra Yaya. Till we meet in a few months. Be blessed.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: CADMUS
To: All
Date Posted: 08:01:39 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-142-156-132.range86-142.btcentralplus.com at 86.142.156.132

Message:

AND WHY NOT NOW?

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Manners Maketh a Man
To: All
Date Posted: 04:07:51 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
"Why is Sengbe coming out only now?" -- Botkidi

Like the true coward he has always shown himself to be, he thinks the coast is finally clear to sneak into the company of educated people. But, of course, he is wrong.

Just like the proverbial monkey (wae nor ba lef een black han), Prof. Edmond Koker of Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina, aka Sengbe, started his inch-by-inch sneaking motion into civilized company on this forum by insulting Karamor Kabba recently. When Karamor, ever the gentleman, treated Koker with fitting contempt by ignoring his rude rant, guess what message that sent to Koker?

The dumb "professor" took that to mean that the coast was now clear for him to continue where he left off last July -- insulting his intellectual superiors in a futile bid to drag them down to his level. That was when Alieu Isncandari sent him scurrying off to lick his well-deserved wounds!

And now, he returns, just as dumb as he was before he was kicked off into reform school by Iscandri. And, of course, like a true retard, he has still not learnt that there is a consequence for every action -- especially rudeness. he still thinks he can insult his intellectual superiors with impunity!

Wrong again, Koker!

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: PA Javombo
To: All
Date Posted: 18:13:33 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-66-56-36-91.hsd1.ga.comcast.net at 66.56.36.91

Message:

Who ever you are and what ever you are
please stop using the handle
"Manners Maketh Man."
Those of us who belive in that crede are always
cool under pressure and never resort to name calling.
Please resist and desist.

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Ah Tire
To: All
Date Posted: 20:24:07 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ac202-054.resnet.stonybrook.edu at 130.245.202.54

Message:
Javombo,

Its Alieu Iscandri misbehaving all over the place. The guy is just pathetic.

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Manners Maketh a Man
To: All
Date Posted: 19:16:04 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 64.12.117.8

Message:
Who or whatever you are, 'Pa javombo' "please stop" misusing the English language.

Those of us who believe in the proper use of that language will always use it correctly -- not mangle it with a phrase such as your "Please resist and desist."

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: PA Javombo
To: All
Date Posted: 23:19:21 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-66-56-36-91.hsd1.ga.comcast.net at 66.56.36.91

Message:

Thank you.
But I stand by what I wrote.
If you have never heard it before then it
is your opportunity to learn.

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Manners Maketh a Man
To: All
Date Posted: 01:07:37 10/19/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-mtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 64.12.117.8

Message:
You are welcome.

I am baffled that you can "stand by what I wrote" ("Please resist and desist.") -- when it should be clear to you by now that what you wrote is a mangled presentation of the well-established phrase, "cease and desist!"

Perhaps it is finally time for you to swallow your misplaced pride and take your own advice: "If you have never heard it before then it is your opportunity to learn."

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 15:56:44 10/18/06 ()
Email Address: bambaylk@yahoo.com
Entered From: ws-lib255.lib.csus.edu at 130.86.14.96

Message:
Greetings my brothers and sisters. I am actually astounded by what I read from my brethren every day particularly, when the word intellectual is used or abused.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am highly concerned about the way things are turning-out in the world. From my observation, abnormality has consumed the world. Time there was when people, especially after attaining certain levels of education, say, going to High schools, begin to see reasons why they must be set apart from those who have not reached a certain educational transformation. As such, they are mindful of what they say, the correctness and acceptance of their speeches and actions. They start seeing reasons why their thoughts and actions must contrive decency and moral obligation, realizing that some amount of responsibility is expected of them. Going to college and graduating from college enhances these expectations and responsibilities. Knowing that they, They, the grdaunt, are perceived to be role models, good ones that the aforementioned should look-up to and more importantly, the family and human community in general, expects more from them.
Sadly enough, this has, in most part, not been the case. There has been an unimpressive divergence from normalcy whereby, because many who had set the pace for this expected respectability in that they lived it. This new opposing group of the family of the abnormal world have bonded together to live by setting a very fine line between the acceptable and the unacceptable, thus have taken upon them to exhibit everything that is oppose to elitism. That is a shame.
Brothers and sisters, most of you have higher credentials and twice or three times older than most of us. As such, we need directions and modeling: responsible guidance and example from you. As much as you would wish to be acknowledged for your credential achievements yet, you are mandated by principles set by these credentials to give us knowledge-worthy materials that readers can chew on. On the contrary, you might assume that due to the fact that some people here know you to be a Professor, a Doctor, a Teacher and what not, makes it a scientifically accepted notion that, regardless of what knowledge or behavior you express here, every reader will respect you because you have such credentials. Unfortunately, that view is completely misleading because what we read here is what we see about you, based on the views of the normal world. Therefore, you have much to loose if your actions contradict this normalcy whereby, your words, action and or contributions are worthless.
It is evident that, as exemplified above, that people have been calling others names such as low-lives, ignorant, unbrought-up and what have you, but they have never tried to articulately and responsibly decipher themselves by worthy examples as projecting essential materials in an intellectually rich discussion. Could this be stereotypes affecting their ability to bring forth worthy view points that is an educational material, beat me! We have constantly seen a self-descr1ption in their writings, which most, if not all the time, carry no intellectually sound messages at all. Besides, their tactics in communication has been very unintellectual because they have constantly indulged in gossips, low-down talking, unassociated discusses, invariably self-defecating mockeries or intellect. So what does that say about them? They absolutely cannot perform. Most will see my action as disrespect but that quite untrue because everyone reads our materials here but would rather think of these family of ours negatively and quietly laugh at them, claiming or seeing them to be ignorant, which has prompted my action because their shame is my shame and should you think of them negatively and not say anything, it is human to say it and when they realize, they come to their senses an behave as expected in a normal world, where education has made a difference.
It is evident that many people who have contributed debate worthy materials have had few responses because their views cannot be challenged and most do not have the decency to say to them you are right as that is the correct way of doing things in civilized settings.
Mr. Albert Moinina brought-up a very intriguing discuss the other day but very few participated in it.
Mr. Paul Bangura contributed a profound message that I expected intellectual ls to contribute to, as the message had everything in it that those who argue, not debate, about the worthiness of their political parties could have said something to either buttress, refute or clarify the information, though most had been at each other's throat about some of what was mentioned but because his articulate and responsible approach can hardly be brought to mediocrity, I presume, it was better left alone.
Brothers and sisters, how do you wish to be known here after? Some of us decided to bite our tongue because of the traditional beliefs that one has to respect their elders but the same tradition taught us to make corrections when we see fit before the canoe capsize. Our images are in trouble. It is time to start paying attention to significant issues and demolish the stereotypes that have handicapped our thinking ability and capability to conceptualize and understand. The very many stereotypical nonsense that most of us have borne for years have prevented us to listen, pay attention to ideas and the significant people who try to disseminate these ideas because we are busy grappling to figure out whether or not these stereotypes are coming to a halt. What are stereotypes:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the term used in computing, see stereotype (computing).
For the term used in its original printing sense, see etymology below.
Stereotypes are ideas held by some individuals about members of particular groups, based solely on membership in that group. They are often used in a negative or prejudicial sense and are frequently used to justify certain discriminatory behaviors. More benignly, they may express sometimes-accurate folk wisdom about social reality.
Often a stereotype is a negative caricature or inversion of some positive characteristic possessed by members of a group, exaggerated to the point where it becomes repulsive or ridiculous.
Stereotype production is based on:
? Simplification
? Exaggeration or distortion
? Generalization
? Presentation of cultural attributes as being 'natural'.
Stereotypes are seen by many as undesirable beliefs which can be changed through education and/or familiarization. However, stereotypes need not be confined to negative characterizations about individuals or groups, and can thus have positive characterizations, for example many African-Americans are now seen as giving advice to whites or other groups.
Stereotyping according to Scientists has impact on people's abilities to reach their human potentials.
Therefore brothers and sisters, as educated as you might wish us to believe, it is important to turn back to reality, a world that once believed that knowledge can change the way people behave and respond to situations or are respected and valued. As far a I am concerned, you have shamed us by your actions.
Look keenly, ask genuine questions to friends and peers. If they tell you anything different from the way I feel, the way many feel who read on this form, then continue with this kind of your actions. Otherwise, change for your own good and for the good image of Sierra Leone. You are not hurting any one but you because more than the person or persons you intend to demean are watching or reading this forum. Most of whom are in the normal world and wish for it to remain that way and better. Behave yourselves and show what you went to colleges and universities to achieve: worthy education. Mind you, the government of Sierra Leone, the United Nations, your sons and daughters will not feel sorry for you because you have not expressed a worthy knowledge in a civilized manner because they expect you to have knowledge. Do not be a disappointment to your institutions of higher learning. They expect you to shine with knowledge not ignorance. If you do not have knowledge that is why schools, colleges and universities were instituted for those who do not have to go and find what they need. It is your responsibility to enrich it. They expect no excuse, no subsitution for the knowledge and nothing more but wisdom, understanding and civility. Anything order than that is bogus. The ball is in your court.
Smile!

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Komba
To: All
Date Posted: 16:35:06 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-132-8-220.range86-132.btcentralplus.com at 86.132.8.220

Message:
Bra you talk true!

Subject: Re: Monkey Nor Ba Lef Een Black Han
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 22:19:17 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ws-lib235.lib.csus.edu at 130.86.14.79

Message:
Thank you Komba. It is in their best interest because emancipated people are watching with keen interest. Some of us only wish to please and be glorified by a handful of Sierra Leoneans. Sierra Leone need international participation on a grandious scale. We are ripe to contribute or compete in the international market without sound minds. These are the ones that we should count on. We cannot always have the Abdulai Contehs, Salia Jusu Sheriffs, and many others to represent us elegantly. How can I for instance who has seen these brilliant Sierra Leoneans in action, speaking eloquently on International scale or foresee a replace in my brothers here, who exhibit this kind of inadequacy beats me. I will and shall never imagine such people to get me to change my mind or captivate my attention on any significant issue by what is portrayed here. It is absolute disgrace. Worst of it all, they brandish their professions and do not give captivating materials or responsibility that per these profession or credentials. All I have witnessed is a show of nothing and ignorance of the very system some of us go to Sierra Leone to make-believe we are a part of.
One disgraceful instance was when I went to an African party in the Washington area in 2002. While speakers at that party were trying to impress the audience, most of the young ladies and gentlemen were standing aside laughing at them for narrating some body's or other people's messages verbatim, in order to impress on them that they are the architects of these ideas. Failing to realize that out of the 9 billion people of these world four billion has access to the Internet and have been reading constantly these forums.
So, you see, I am not intentionally trying to disrespect them but letting them know what is behind the scene. I have found out a majority are even ignorant of what transpires outside the Sierra Leone community. Isn't that a shame? I am tired of the world laughing at them. So I have to take this opportunity to remind them of their responsibilities. Among all here, I have had dealings with very few. Mr. Bockari whom I have met in person has never had more than ten minutes discussion with me even when I was in his house. The longest we have spoken, in person is from the Amtrack train station to his house. Therefore, I can say, he does not know anything about me that is correct besides the fat that I am very respectful. As all may have known, this is the respect I share with all on this forum. I am not trying to be a tough guy. That is not in my nature. I will only be when necessary. Tough situations need tough measures.
Most of these gentlemen are grappling with finding-out about me to no avail. But this is not about me but the effort to preserve the respect I have for them, which I would hate to wipe-out from my mind and others who respect them. There a group of profound Americans, British and other nationals who have no respect for them any more. But they can reverse that by being what they are and using their education appropriately. It is not too late.
I know you can do it.

I am tied for time and cannot read over. I have to listen to nakednews.com and then go to work till tommorrow morning.

Once again, Kumba, thank you. And brothers change. Prof. Senbge, welcome back.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 20:56:24 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
Hi there, Loggy.

How are you, and the family?

I pray that all is fine with you and yours.

Peace and love.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 21:18:39 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-141-156-184-237.esr.east.verizon.net at 141.156.184.237

Message:
Everyone's fine and thanks for asking.
Welcome back

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:22:22 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
Thanks.

Have you heard from your "sister" lately?

I called her at work today, but she was not available. I hope all is well with her. It has been over six months since we talked. Anyway, I hope she is well and happy.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sahr T/
To: All
Date Posted: 18:44:00 10/17/06 ()
Email Address: sahrt2005@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-38-172-93.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.38.172.93

Message:
Greetings prof.
How the travels?
He's around and well.
He sent me a New Year Message last month.
Probably working on a project.
Or possibly debating elsewhere.
His worldview covers a lot of turf.
Regards,

ST/

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:02:53 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
Greetings to you too my brother, Sefadu Cowboy - ST/ of Tombodu.

The Rip Van Winkle in him made him send that New Year message in September as opposed to January.

My travels were very well received.

Thanks, and best regards to you.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sahr T/
To: All
Date Posted: 21:08:16 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-68-38-172-93.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.38.172.93

Message:
Not so fast Prof!
The Israel New Year is on or about September 22!
Corn got you again!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:14:58 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: nc-71-55-71-75.dyn.embarqhsd.net at 71.55.71.75

Message:
You mean the Jewish new year?

Oh! I forgot about that. Forgive me, I am a Christian.
I give praises to Jesus.

No! It is you who got me this time.

Cheers!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Leonenetter
To: All
Date Posted: 19:06:09 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: h167-156-253.63.chubb.com at 167.156.63.253

Message:
He is out debating where ? The hobo was kicked out of the two Leonenets too. He is no longer in any forum so you guys better watch whom you support. Cornie is sick.I hope he will spend his hiatus seeking psychological treatment.

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: Sahr T/
To: All
Date Posted: 21:06:34 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-68-38-172-93.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.38.172.93

Message:
You miss my point.
His worldview goes beyond leonenet and cocorioko.
You know - israel, libya, middle east, oh.
Never mind my friend.
Carry on.

ST/

Subject: Professor "Radio Malancholy", aka, Edmund Koker
From: Professor ratata, aka Edmund Koker, Aka, Sengbe
To: All
Date Posted: 16:31:07 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 158.59.27.31

Message:
Your "ratata" made no sense. As Dr. Curtis-Thomas once told you: "go back to your hole and stay there!"

UPLINE SCAFF !

Subject: Re: Professor "Radio Malancholy", aka, Edmund Koker
From: Abdulai
To: All
Date Posted: 07:57:31 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ma869.gold.ac.uk at 158.223.58.69

Message:
My man, why are you so rude to the Professor? I hope the Professor takes no notice of people like you in this forum. i for one enjoyed reading his educative writings and i can't wait for him to start educating us again.

Subject: Re: Professor "Radio Malancholy", aka, Edmund Koker
From: CRASE DOG
To: All
Date Posted: 18:11:58 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198

Message:
educative writings

WHICH ONE OF HIS EDUCATED WRITINGS? THE ONE ABOUT MENDE HEDGEMONY OR TRIBALISM AND MENDE SUPERIORITY OR IS IT THE ONE ABOUT HIS SLPP BULLSHIT YADDI YADDI YA

Subject: Re: Professor "Radio Malancholy", aka, Edmund Koker
From: English and Good Manners Teacher
To: All
Date Posted: 08:25:11 10/18/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
"My man, why are you so rude to the Professor?"

He is clearly returning the favor to the rude "professor" Edmund Koker, aka Sengbe aka Nancy jusu and most likely now calling himself "Abdulai" in order to indulge in his usual self-delusion, such as the following statement:

"i for one enjoyed reading his educative writings and i can't wait for him to start educating us again."

Makes one wonder whether Edmund Koker and/or "Abdulai" know what the word "educative" means!" Hahahah Professor? I don't think so!

Try tribalistic churl -- and you and/or Koker will understand Koker's problem -- assuming a Good Samaritan would deign to teach "professor" Edmund Koker and/or you how to look up the meaning of words in a dictionary!) Hahaha

Subject: The doctor "foolish you", SENGBE, aka, Professor Edmond Koke
From: Saving face
To: All
Date Posted: 15:45:27 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 158.59.27.31

Message:
I totally enjoyed the way your superior, Dr. Charles Curtis-Thomas, "foolish you" in the posting below. WHAT A BEATING!

Subject: Re: I miss Bra Cornie
From: But Cornie Likely Does not Miss Your Ill Manners!
To: All
Date Posted: 15:32:14 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-rtc-ae04.proxy.aol.com at 152.163.101.8

Message:
Edmund Koker alias Sengbe (or is it Nancy Jusu the Predator -- heheheh), welcome to the scene of the last attempt at remedying your incorrigibly low level of education, Oh tribalistic Man of Many False Names. Hehehehe

I see you are still the faceless coward hiding behgind hints in lieu of your usaual false names! Mi man, if you geh libba, why don't you name your sobvious superiors whom you are trying desperately to bring down to your low level? Yu dae fraid? Heheheheh

Subject: SENGBE IS BACK!
From: SCAN
To: All
Date Posted: 11:37:14 10/17/06 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-141-156-184-237.esr.east.verizon.net at 141.156.184.237

Message: